Dude, He Ate Your Boyfriend // Warm Bodies

unknown 0:12

I love faces.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Hey, I'm Dahlia. And I'm Alma. And this is the Gory Details Podcast, where we discuss horror from every angle. We break it down with humor, sarcasm, and curiosity, looking at what scares and excites us most and what gets ignored, and the people shaping the genre right now. Alma, what have you been up to this week? I don't know why I say it all creepy like that. What have you been up to? Probably, you know, I'm saying it all creepy like that because uh I haven't really been up to much. So I'm gonna kind of live vicariously through you, so that's why.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

Oh, then that's sad because I really haven't been up too much. But I did have um, I did have a Chucky movie marathon this week.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Oh I was into the word how do you do it? Do you watch them in the um do you watch them what?

SPEAKER_02 1:13

I already know what you're gonna say. I usually will watch the first three separate, and then um I like to start with the Bride of Chucky. So Bride of Chucky first, and then end with the first three. I love Bride of Chucky. That's my favorite one of all.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

I was just about to ask why that one first. I mean, obviously because you love it, but why would that one be the first one that you watch before? Is that the one that just kicks it off for you? Like it's like, yeah, this is it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

It definitely led to me loving Chucky even more because as we were young, we watched, you know, the first three, and um they were a different vibe. When Chucky got married, and you know, with Tiffany and introduction, it just became a whole different show. And I love how it like reinvigorated the whole Chucky love for me, and it just it is it was like completely reinvented each one of them. They just got better for me, and I love the the way it goes from that one to the seed of Chucky to the curse of Chucky to the cult of Chucky. Each one gets better and better and better, and I just love watching those like that. The first three are like a completely different vibe, they're more fun, and I find the third one to be really silly, you know, and the first two are more of a nostalgic because when you're young, you know, you're watching the killer doll, and the killer doll keeps coming back to life, and that shit's scary as hell. But it's it's definitely different.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Yeah. So um I know that you love the movies. Obviously, I know this. Uh, you own lots of merch shirts, bags, just clothing of different sorts. Uh, you have the dolls, of course. I don't know. Do you actually own physical copies of the movie?

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Oh, you know what? I don't. I don't. I don't own any physical copies of them. I just play them from TV. And I think I don't even remember where they're on right now, but all of them are on I think Netflix. All the movies. Yeah, because I watched them. Yeah, I didn't have to pay for them or anything. I just played. And so um, yeah, that's weird of me not to own them. But um because you own everything else. I'm just curious. For a while there, we used to get all the physical media, but then we started getting rid of it, and then we just got rid of all our physical media, which was stupid. And it was real stupid because now, like you mentioned, I could have all those movies in my possession and watch them whenever I like with all the extras and stuff like that, but I don't. That sucks.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Well, I mean, in general, I mean, whether you decide to collect physical media or not, I totally get that. It's up to everybody. But I was specifically talking about you because you collect all the Chucky stuff. I'm like, hmm, this would be interesting if she does or does not have it in her hands when she's playing it.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

Yeah. And you know, I rearranged my Chucky collection too um this past week. So that was also something I did. I while I was watching the movies, I um I had some Chucky toys I hadn't put out yet. And so I had to rearrange a lot of them to get them to all fit inside. And um I also have a tiny, tiny V VHS uh copy of Child's Play. Um like I have a uh a room, I wouldn't say it's a diorama, it's um on my bookshelves, like you can see it, but nobody else can see it right now. But on my bookshelves, there's one cube that I have that is Chucky's playroom. It's what I call Chucky's playroom, and I have all kinds of tiny toys for him to play with in that particular scene that I have him in. So it's cute Chucky playing in there. It's a NECA uh figure, and then I have another NECA figure in there that's um Buff Chuck Chucky that is smashing that is smashing stuff up with a baseball bat and um all kinds of little tiny toys. So I put more little tiny toys in there. So he has his own little tiny um VHS player and TV, and he has um like Hungry Hippos and Jenga and uh Operation, um you know, all kinds of tiny little games for him to play with. It's really important.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Love that but do you actually but do you actually play with them?

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Well, that's how I play with them because I that's how you do.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

Oh, by setting it up, that's how you're playing with it. So you're not actually playing with it, you're setting it up, and then that's that's the act of playing, setting it up.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Yes. Uh huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

That's how you enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Yeah, I would consider that playing with them. I consider that playing with them.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

I I would too. I would too. I was just wondering if you'd get the little the little figurines and like move them around and make them do stuff like I'm gonna kill you.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Well, I have a Christmas setup too, but I haven't finished making the room yet. So as I get more stuff, I'll play more with the Christmas setup because I have Christmas Chucky, um, a Christmas sweater, and he has like a little note for Santa Claus. And and um I have two of them, two figures um that are the Christmas one that came out from the Chucky series, the NECA figures. So um one of them I have holding the chainsaw that he uses to kill, and the other one is just plain Chucky in his clean sweater with no blood on it. And yeah, so those are pretty cool, pretty badass. So I guess I have been doing stuff, huh?

SPEAKER_01 7:14

You have. Well, yeah, you have absolutely more than me. I've just been working and then coming home and just getting away from it all. But anyway, speaking of getting away from it all, one thing that I have done is watch this movie that we're gonna discuss. This is uh movie number three in our uh month-long um zombie movie fest, whatever you want to call it. So the entire month of August, we are watching zombie movies, four movies. We've watched uh The Return of the Living Dead. We've watched uh We Bury the Dead. This week we are watching, or we did watch Warm Bodies. I keep wanting to say Warm Zombies for some reason. And then next week, another movie, which we shall be which shall be named at another time. And so let's just get into it. Warm Bodies 2013, 81% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's pretty good. The past movies that we've watched, they've been 70 some percent and up on Rotten Tomatoes. So that's pretty good. Uh, INDB says uh after a highly unusual zombie saves a still-living girl from an attack, the two form a relationship that sets in motion events that might transform the entire lifeless world. I think that's a pretty good description of this movie. Uh like I've mentioned before, sometimes it can be kind of way off, but I think the past three weeks, the uh IMDB has been pretty spot on as far as their descriptions. But uh so speaking of IMDB, Almar, who wrote, who directed, give me the cast, give me all the good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Okay, it was written by Isaac Marion and Jonathan Levine, and directed by Jonathan Levine, and it stars um Nicholas Holt as R, Teresa Palmer as Julie, John Malkovich as Grigio, Leo Tipton as Nora, Rob Cordre as M, and Dave Franco as Perry.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Okay, so cast aside, what are we thinking about the movie?

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Um Love Story. It is a definitely a zombie movie because it's loaded with zombies, my favorite. I actually chose the movie for the week because I've been wanting to pick, and that's why the movies that we've watched are so different, because I wanted to pick movies where the zombies are different, where we have different kinds of zombies, not just um the same rushing at you fast zombie or whatever. Each one has a different type of zombie. And I think we did really good with the first two because the first one was the zombie eating, sentient zombie. The second movie we watched have the um, oh, the creepy come reanimated zombie that has unfinished business. Um, and then we have this zombie that is sentient in that it has, you know, its own thoughts, its own feelings, its own um living. You know, um um whatchama call it dawn of the dead, right? It's uh with the with the uh um the zombies that return to do what they were used to doing. Um in this one, they're at an airport, so all the zombies are kind of slow shuffling around, going through the zombie.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

They come to some kind of familiarity of some sort, some kind something they're connected to before something like yeah, exactly. Like the mall attracts the the zombies. In this case, it's the airport that's attracting the zombies or the whatever and case, you know, and the other parts of the uh zombie universe that's attracting them, but in this case it's the airport. Um, so yeah, so is this a zombie movie? Well, of course it's a zombie movie because it's fucking called Warm Bodies and it's about zombies, but is it like a like is it really uh is it about the zombies or what is it really about? So um let's just go ahead and get into it. Um R is our um main zombie here, and we call him R because he can't remember his name. That would be so frustrating if I couldn't remember my name. I don't even know if I'd remember that my name started with a D.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty cool. But you know, I like it because it's a sound also. And that's what he's making sounds with. And occasionally they mention that they say words, and so that's kind of creepy. And he has a friend. He has a friend that he's gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

So he has a zombie friend, right? So he has a zombie friend, kind of, which they hang out with, like Alma said, but they're just really literally just kind of sitting next to each other, grunting at each other. They're not talking, they're not doing anything. So these zombies, uh, this is in this zombie movie, what are they doing? We are uh they're grunting. They are, what else do they do? They eat brains in this movie, but they eat more than just brains. They don't just eat brains, they just have the brains, they just eat brains as well.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Yes, yes, they do. And when they eat the brains, they get the memories, the dreams, they get all of that um information that we store up in there, and they can live sort of through that. They have those moments where they can feel and um it's euphoric almost the way that they show uh R when he's eating brains, just having uh that moment, just living through that because they don't have any of that. They're completely disconnected, and the only alive feeling they get is when they eat brains. Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

I like how you keep turning into something ghostly. You did it last week and now you did it this week again. I do that. Ooh, they're paranormal. I think we've decided they're paranormal, though, because they come back from the dead. So there we go. Um, so yeah, this movie it has uh zombies, obviously. Um, it has an apocalypse that happened. How did it happen? We have no idea. He doesn't remember how it happened. Does it matter? Yeah, pretty much it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. Um, people are getting eaten. Uh yeah, we see it happening, people getting eaten, and we know it's happening. Um, and then we see the uh constant brain munching throughout the movie. Uh so we have the dead people, brains getting eaten, we got the zombies, we got apocalypse. Um, so all things that we would find in a horror movie, but it's a uh it's kind of like a rom-com, but not a rom-com.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

A rom thing. Yeah. It does have a little bit of humor in it. It's uh definitely um funny at at points. It's just but it's also a lot sad because you're thinking about the zombie and how he has that hunger to eat, and the eating is like it was really scary. There's a moment when R is sitting with his friend M at the airport bar and they're like just staring at each other awkwardly. They can't really make speech. Um, but they're they're connecting on a level because they're hanging out. They like to sit with each other, they like to hang out with each other, and it looks so like just some mundane thing that's happening and thought really important, but then they make speech and it makes it so sinister, it turns, it turns just completely different because one of them says um hungry, and it's like, oh shit, you know, when he says the hungry, exactly all of a sudden, yeah, and it's scary the way he says it. And then they all kind of hoard together, and in movies and shows, they they mass together like just out of habit. But in this one, they're massing together because they have a common goal and we know what the common goal is. They're trying to look for food together. It's a little different because you have that idea now that, hey, they're hungry, they're telling each other they're hungry, hey, they're telling each other, let's go hunt together. And that makes it more evil, you know. Not evil. I keep using the wrong word.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

You keep well, you said evil. Well, to be fair though, if you think about it, the humans did the exact same thing. They congregated before they went out to go hunting on their hunting party to go find all the stuff, the supplies that they needed. They all got together and then they went out as a group together to go hunting for supplies. They specifically, I think they were found in the pharmacy when they met up with the zombies. But um, you know, you could think of it as when they go out to look for food or other, you know, other things that they need. Um, so the humans were doing the same thing. They they travel in a group for uh uh probably to get more done for protection for all that stuff. So the zombies are kind of doing the same thing too. But it's creepy when the zombies do it because the zombies are gonna fucking eat you. Because they're gonna they're gonna eat you.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

And the first time that they they they're they're collecting their your you mentioned that they went to go, the humans have met up to and the humans call the zombies corpses. And it's the first time in a movie, I think, where it's not silly because they're not calling them Zeds or Walkers or something like that. They're just corpses to them, and that's literally what they are. It's they didn't invent a word or anything like that, but um they're went out to go look for pharmaceuticals, and that's when the uh corpses meet up with them, and this is where Perry loses his life to R, and R meets Julie. Julie ends up being completely disarmed, and she's gonna get eaten, but R looks at her and he's like instant attraction, instant love, and he saves her.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Yeah, he does. So it's Perry and Julie who are together at first. They're the human boyfriend girlfriend, they are hunting together, or uh you know what I mean, they're out doing their hunting party, whatever. And um when Perry gets killed, he has this, and I'm gonna start talking about it now because I'm gonna keep getting into it later on as we keep talking. The fact that the R is the person who eats Perry. Yes, uh-huh. Um so this is Julie's boyfriend has gotten eaten by the zombie. And this is our love interest. These are our these are our this is our our love c our couple here that we're gonna that we're being introduced to. Across across the ways we see each other and we fall in love. Of course it was an instant attraction for her, but it was for him. Before before he even ate some of Perry's brain, there was a little bit of a hmm, this woman, this this person here, I think I like her, but I don't know why. And then after he ate the brain, then he started becoming falling in love with her and everything like that. So there's a little bit of both of that. There's a little bit of the instant attraction before we had the eating of the brain, and then after the eating of the brain, obviously we get into it more. Um so yeah. Now this is the part where the love story begins. Because that's what it is. It's it's a fucking love story.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

It's a love story.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

I mean, it's this it's well, okay, this is based on a book, which I have not read. So anybody who came here for story, uh I mean uh comparison or uh novel movie commentary as far as the you know they both go, um, you're gonna be sadly disappointed because I did not read the book. So I apologize. But from what I am seeing just from the movie alone, this is a pretty fucked up way to introduce a love interest or a love story, in my definite opinion. Julie gets separated from the group, R takes her for her safety, because he's already like like we said, there was a attraction already uh developing there. Uh he takes her away from the uh the horde of zombies because the horde of zombies are going to um they're gonna let's just say it, they're gonna eat her. They're gonna eat her if he doesn't help her out somehow.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Yes. He covers her with actually Perry's blood in her face. That way they they smell the humans, the corpses do. So he masks her with Perry's um blood and entrails or whatever he had a chance to eat, and walks her back to where he lives with the other zombies who are slow shuffling their way back to uh where they're used to living. And that's another thing. They return to where they live, you know. Yes. That is they have pretty zombies. Yeah, they're like, okay, we've done hunting with for the day, we ate.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

Our tummies are full, let's go back home. And he has a pretty dope home. I he is it's an airplane and he's got uh it all decked out in other people's luggage con you know, things that were contained in other people's luggage. That's what it looks like.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Oh yeah, I never even thought about that.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Well, that's that's kind of what it looks like. Like it was everything was just kind of open and just kind of like uh let's see what we can use here, but maybe not, maybe I'm just reading into it and that's how I see it.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

But that makes sense because he's opening up bins and stuff like that, and he says he's a collector. Um Starts making even more speech and talking to Julie about he's gonna keep her safe. Um this is you know he plays music, he has vinyl records that he's collected, um, and he's playing them for her and stuff like that. So it's pretty when you think about it, you you also think all the other zombies are doing these things too. Oh, yeah, it's not just him.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

No, it can't be just him, they're all doing it in their own way. We're just seeing it on him, we're just seeing it through him, you know. Obviously, this POV in this movie. Um, and we see him starting to speak more, and we're assuming he's speaking more when he's with her, because as he's eating more brain from Perry, her boyfriend, he's starting to unlock more memories of Perry being in love with Julie, and we see a connection growing from the beginning, it just looked like the zombies were disconnected, kind of just, you know. Uh, it's kind of like when you see people just being next to each other, parallel, doing shit, you know, all day long. They're not interacting with each other all day long. But then they you see when you see that evolution to them actually connecting, to them talking and everything, you get the sense that his speech is evolving as well. I don't know if we're told outright that his speech is evolving or evolving back, however you want to look at it, because he was human to begin with. So obviously the knowledge is there. Um it's not like straight up evolving, but it's uh going back to what it used to be. So he's reconnecting with that human side of himself because he's got the memories of being in love, he's got the memories of another human. Was he getting these memories before, though, with the other people, or is it just with her? That's something interesting that I, you know, I was thinking about.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

No, well, I didn't, well, I didn't think of it the way you just said it. Um, but he did mention that when they eat the brains, so it's something that he was getting all the time, uh, whenever he ate the brains of somebody, because he mentions if they bite them, um, if they eat a little bit of them, they just come back, the corpses, right? They become reanimated. But if they eat the brains, of course, then they're dead. They're not coming back. And when they eat the brains, that's when they get the memories and stuff like that. Um also, we haven't we haven't even gotten into the bonies. Literally, just about to bring them up. Yeah. The corpse, the corpses call them bonies. They they came up with their own name for this next level zombie. This next level zombie gets more into what Dali was talking about um with me earlier. The uh the disconnection. Yeah. They these are the zombies that have completely given up on given up on life, isn't it? Given up on the undead life or whatever you undecide. Yeah. And then literally rip off their own skin and and flesh and become a skeletal form of the zombie that they refer to as bonies. And the humans call them corpses and call the bonies skeletons. So they also have a name for them too, which is just a plain old theme, you know, nothing, nothing fancy or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Yeah. So yeah, exactly. Like you said, they literally strip themselves of their humanity from their from their flesh, from their humanity, from their uh uh they become, I don't know why they become it. Maybe we could think of it like when we see animals that get, you know, like feral animals or animals that get rabid, but they become more aggressive. Um they become quicker and more aggressive, these zombies, these bonies. And um, so they're a threat to the zombies themselves or the corpses. So we have humans that are being hunted by the zombies or the corpses, and then we have bonies who will go after humans and will also fuck with a a zombie as well. Yeah. They're the bullies of the corpses. Exactly. So, as we know, as we talked about, they don't have to eat brains to live. They just have to eat what we're gathering as far as the information that we're getting is they they gotta eat people, they gotta eat flesh somehow. But they eat the brains to get some kind of something from them, something, some kind of connection, whether it's hunger, whether it's like like it's just like a really like eating a really good, if you eat meat, like a really good steak, versus just eating like uh, I don't know, like a hamburger. I don't know. I'm not doing really good with comparing foods here. This isn't a food blog.

unknown 27:47

No.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

But I'm just saying because the the whole point I'm trying to get to is that um they don't have to eat the brains. They are doing it to enjoy the brain for some reason. There's a reason I'm bringing it up. It's because are they eating the brains to well, they're eating it for enjoyment, but is it to satiate a a hunger? Or is it because like a physical need, a hunger, or is it because they want to connect somehow emotionally and they like the human connection? So which is it? They like I said, they don't have to eat the braids, but we why are they doing it? Uh-huh. You know, uh-huh. I get you.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

That is very interesting. Um I think I think so. I think so that they're looking for that human connection. That's why they hang on, not like the bonies who give up. Um they definitely are holding on and and enjoy that that feeling, that connection. And that's what's keeping them moving and shuffling around every day.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Yeah. Um, and what I found interesting too was when we saw the moment of one bony turning into a bony, one corpse turning into a bony. Um, the guy is sitting there, and it was this, it just happened to be a guy. Um, and uh when he starts peeling the flesh off his own uh body, off his bones, um you could see the moments they kind of try to show us like where he's just kind of like his humanity, his it just everything about him just kind of left him. Like, like I'm done. Like this is it, I'm done. And I guess you would have to get to a point when you think if you are aware somehow, if you are a zombie in a world where you have come back as a zombie, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:03

And you have to, in order to survive, you have to eat people, okay? And in order to eat people, you have to kill them.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

I mean, obviously, right? You're going to have to let go of your humanity somehow. If you're unless you're willing to just to literally just die, let yourself get killed. So there has to come a point where you either continue on living like they have, holding on for hope, like it looks like it has to have been hope, uh, are and the other corpses and the other ones that they've hung out with, like, for example, the ones here in the airport, or where they just give up, like this is the end. That's where the bonies have gone. This is it. This there's no coming back from this. Might as well just just give in my all and become a hundred percent into this. I don't know. They just had to have been that decision. It I think I think it is a decision, uh I think for some. And maybe not uh a very uh what's the word I'm looking for?

SPEAKER_00 31:21

Um an obvious one that they're making, but it is a decision that they're making. Yeah. Yeah, it is, it is.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

And um just like the decision to continue eating the brains for R, because R has saved the brains, and he's been slowly eating them over time while he has Julie with him and he's trying to keep her safe, but also keep her. Keep her just k keep her because he has no plans on taking her back home. He's just hanging out with her and stuff like that, but he's secret eating the brains because it's giving him these merry, these memories of himself, of um Perry with Julie, and he likes seeing that. But there comes a point where he's eating those brains and they become he becomes aware that he's the one who killed Perry. Like he knows he killed Perry, but there's a point where he's living it through Perry, and he can't take that anymore and spits out the brains, and he doesn't want to do that anymore because it's too messed up. It's too, that's just that's just fucked up, you know. He's doesn't want to have those feelings. Now he feels them and he doesn't want to do it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Right. And I don't want it to be lost on anyone here that we're aware that they do this in iZombie and that iZombie uh they uh you know get the memories and all that. Uh but that's uh that that is a great show, by the way. If you have not watched iZombie, that is a great show. I loved it. I don't know about you, Adam. I fucking do it. Oh, I love that show. And um, but this isn't about iZombie. This is that's why I'm trying, I was trying hard not to, but I did want to mention it just in case people are saying, like, but it that's a lot like yes, yes, it it it has uh um similarities.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

You got it, you got it. I did.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Um, and okay, so like I mentioned before, this is the beginning of a love story though, and you just mentioned everything. He's here, he is eating the brain. He sees the attack through uh Perry's uh uh point of view, and he's keeping her, he is keeping her against her will because she does try to get away.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

Um and but there is that other side of it where we see is he really if we're looking at it from a zombie point of view, he's not really a that bad of a person, I guess you could say.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

That bad of a person or that bad zombie zombie is what I mean. I'm sorry. Okay, that bad of a zombie, sorry. I apologize. I should have uh yeah, so he's not that bad of a zombie because if you're thinking about it just as survival, he's an animal. They're going out in groups and they're going out and they're hunting for their food. Okay, so he finds his food, he eats it, blah, blah, right? Okay, that's what animals do. It sucks, but sometimes we're on we're in the food chain and we're gonna get eaten, right? The part that gets creepy is when he's starting to keep her. Like, why are we keeping you here? And why are we uh, I mean, there's because you see times that he could have gotten her away from the airplane and gotten her away from other zombies because he does it, he does it when they need to. He gets her out of there when they need to get her to safety and stuff like that. When he gets her, you know, smearing the blood on her, or you know, just waiting till a certain time of day or whatever. So he's doing it. He's just choosing not to do it, is what's happening. He's choosing to keep her in that airplane and uh telling her he's doing it for her safety, and then she catches on. Yeah, it's been a few days. You told me it'd only be a few days, and here yet we still are after a few days. You're not taking me home. But she still falls in love with him. She still falls in love with him. Putting aside the actors and and who these, you know, who they are and everything like that. I'm just saying, you gotta, this is he's a corpse. He's he's a fucking creep.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

And she tries to get away a couple of times and he ends up keeping her, keeping her. But eventually she's like, You said it's only gonna be a few days. So he takes her on the road, um, and they get a car, and they hold up in another house. Um, and they end up encountering, well, they don't encounter, but the dad, um Julie's dad, is like the commander of the forces that are keeping them safe in the town where the living are. And there's not a lot of living, and they bring it up a couple of times, but there's not a lot of living. They're not showing people thriving in little communities like this around the world, they're showing this one community. Um, and they're very fully aware that they're outnumbered by all the dead, and they um the dad obviously is looking for his daughter because she hasn't been home in a few days, and he's taken all of the um forces that he can with him to go look for her, but they don't come out. Julie and R stay held up inside the home that they're in, and um that's when R decides that he's gonna tell her that yes, I'm the one who killed Perry. I'm the one who killed Perry, even though she has pretty much known this the whole time. And she says, you know, I I was thinking that that was true, but it hits her really hard, and she sneaks off and gets back to her community, and R is left alone and sad and regretting his life decisions.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

That's a good way of putting it, regretting his life decisions. Yeah. He's uh he's he did something, but out of necessity at the time, he ate. He then he he caught feelings, and then he went beyond that, way beyond that, by keeping her, he he just straight up kept her prisoner. I'm just gonna say it. And then he's fallen in love, whether it's from his own connection or whether it's through Perry's brain connection, or both, because like I said, he was already starting to have that connection before he ever attacked him. So there was already that. That's probably why it was so strong to begin with. Um, it's kind of one of those, you know, when you see someone from across the room, your eyes meet, kind of connection. They already had that going for them, and then add in the addition of the emotional aspects of feeling whatever Perry was feeling. Um, so is the love that R is feeling, is that what is curing him? Or you could say it's a cure for zombieism, or is it just something that he is enjoying feeling, and that's what's making him want to be human again? We could take it either way. Which would you like to believe it is? I'd like to think that it's a connection, not necessarily the love, but it's a connection, it's a feeling that he's uh he's enjoying that feeling of connection, of hope or something versus before where there isn't that there for him.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

I I I want I want to agree that that that connection is definitely something that they they want, they need and they were already going through the motions of it, and now they see an example of it with R and Julie because M helps them get away when they needed to. M decides to think about what it is that R is saying and wants that too. And then they get a whole group together when R loses Julie. Uh a whole group comes to them because the bonies sense that they're changing and chases them out of the airport. And so they now they have a whole group of corpses that want something more that they're willing to chase down R and find out what is it that you're doing. We want that too. And that group just gets bigger and bigger because they want to change, they want that change. They're holding on, not like the the skeletons, because they want that humanity. They are craving it, they're craving that, and they want that connection too. And so they get a nice big group of them together who um can't stay with the skeletons anymore. And they are in between the world of the living and the way gone.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

The waagone. I like that. They're the waygoners over there. Uh, but yeah, we start seeing that transformation from the uh corpses, the zombies, to being human again. We start seeing, well, very literally, we start seeing it with their hearts beating. Um we see them. Interesting little bit of trivia that I read was I don't know if this is exactly 100% because I couldn't find it in more than one place, but I did read it that uh the zombies chose that zombie actors chose not to blink while they were zombies, and then they decided to blink when they were turning human. That's interesting, right? That is okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

Yeah, I don't I that's that's interesting. I didn't read that anywhere, but that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah, so uh we see that um he begins to speak more clearly, like I like we said earlier. Um, he's feeling more, oh, he's literally becoming warmer, uh, warm bodies. Uh and so then uh going back to that question of where is that transformation coming from? Is that transformation coming from the need for connection or for that want for the connection? Is it the hope? What is it? Like I said, I think for me it's it's the hope. It's the hope of something. It's I when I'm watching it, maybe it is just me because I've dealt with depression my entire life, but I'm looking at it as very closely symbolizing depression. You just get into this deep, deep depression, like this funk that you just can't let go of. And there's something that you just want to uh you want to connect somehow to something or someone and when it finds you, when you find it. It's like a life force to you. And that's what this is in the movie. The brain is like somehow that conduit for this life force that's going to give them that hope. Um I read too much into movies, but I love doing that. What about you, Alma? What are you thinking when you see this going on? Um, well, I'm agreeing with you.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

I'm agreeing with you. I see it. And um, and you see that that funk that they were in. I like the word funk that the zombies are in, and as they come out of it, because then all of a sudden now there's hope and um for them that the change is what they want, and the change is what they've been waiting for, and now it's within their grasp. And so um, yeah, I I agree with you. I I see all that, and I know it's you're saying you're reading too much into the movie, but it is. It's you're not, you're just seeing the movie. You're just seeing it, and I'm sure in the book they get into more detail. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. And so you have more information from there. And um so I hope that this movie was a good adaptation, even though they changed a lot. Because in the trivia it tells you what they change um um between the characters and stuff like that, and they made them younger and um and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

But I still like to think that they uh kept the spirit of the book. I guess is the best way you can say that. Yeah, the spirit. Yeah, the spirit.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

I like that.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

Because like I know when I read a good book and I like even if they change like a whole bunch when they make it into the movie, it's like, do we get the basic premise of what the book was trying to evoke from us? Yes or no? And hopefully the book did that for the people who read the book.

SPEAKER_02 46:08

And then I would think so.

unknown 46:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

No, I just I I would think so because the the Rotten Tomatoes, the the score kind of makes you seem like like all the people who watched it might might agree. Not all of them, but you know, you know. Yeah, exactly.

unknown 46:27

You know.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

So okay, so now we have uh they've fallen in love, I guess. Ew. That happened. It happens sometimes. Yeah, you fall in love with your uh your corpse friend, your your person that you're not supposed to fall in love with, and they it she did it, and uh, and they're now uh happily ever after the end. Not really, but um the walls come down, the separating the zombie world from the human world, because we're starting to see this change, this transformation go back come back from the zombies, change it back into the humans. So now we can see that everybody's gonna be able to start living together again, or are we gonna start this process all over again? That's what I think. Yes. Because right before everybody turned, we don't know what it was that turned everybody into zombies, but right before everybody was into zombies turned into zombies, we saw everybody just staring at a screen or ignoring each other and just bumping into each other, just ignoring each other and going about their lives and not doing much of interacting with each other. And then only after we became zombies and didn't have that connection anymore, it couldn't have that connection anymore, um, then we craved it. Craved it like we craved the fucking brains. Ooh, that's my ghost sounds again. Yep, because it's paranormal. Well, that was warm bodies. How does it compare to our other zombie movies? So we got um they're mostly slow. We did get the uh we did get a couple of moments where they did speed up um while they were still during attacking. During the attacking. Right. But it it wasn't it wasn't superhuman or it didn't look superhuman. The bonies kind of looked like it was almost close to being kind of like, huh? But it wasn't super human superhuman. That was English, I promise you. And um, as far as they're smart because they're still remembering how to use tools and things like that. Um, they're going back to, like Alma said in the beginning, they're going back to uh their homes, quote unquote their homes at the end of the day, the zombies. So they're intelligent, they're holding on to some something of their former lives. Uh they can't really communicate except through grunts, not like the uh return of the living dead zombies that were talking, you know, send more paramedics and shit like that. No, these are just, you know, at the at the base level of zombie, they are just grunting. It isn't till they start evolving or transforming, whatever you want to call it, do we start seeing them speaking more, being able to get more words out. Um they eat brains. Eat brains. Ooh. And they eat brains. That's the creepy thing.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

They gotta smash into the head. Yep. And that that's what they really showed when R gets to Perry was that he was slamming his head, and that's the violence of the hunger in them. Um that was really scary. These aren't baby zombies, these aren't these aren't silly zombies, these aren't anything. The corpses, they are they're violent when they need to be. So that's scary.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

Exactly. Um, so the zombies, we're they're they're eating, they can eat flesh, they can they're gonna eat your flesh, they're gonna eat your brain if they want to. Um, they holding on to some kind of memories because again, they're holding on to memories of their uh living lives, and then also of their dead lives. Um and in this case, there's apparently a cure. The cure is love, connection, um, humanity, uh, friendship, uh, purpose, I don't know. All of the above, none of the above, but some kind of mixture of them all. It's it's something's going on there, and it's it has to do with that emotional human connection. Again, it comes back to that human connection. That is what is curing them. But it would even though we don't need to know, even though we don't need to know what it was that caused the apocalypse, I'd still I would still like to know, but I'd like that they didn't tell you. I wonder if they did in the book. Maybe not, because they didn't in the in the movie, but I wonder if they did in the book, because I'm curious if they let you know what it was that started the apocalypse, because I kind of like the idea that they don't tell you. That way you can form your own ideas. That way this ending where this uh evolution or this transformation back to humans can make sense. That way you can be like, oh, that makes sense. Because you know, you can make up your own reason how the apocalypse started, you know? Um, rather than, oh, that doesn't work, that doesn't make sense. So if you come up with your own reason, you have this ending, then you kind of can make it work. Except for the whole part where she fell in love with the murderer of her boyfriend.

unknown 52:10

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

He wasn't in control of himself, but he's that's fine. Like I said, that's why I said in the beginning, yeah. Um if as a zombie, he's not a bad zombie or bad person, however you want to word that. He he did what he had to do to survive, you know. He was, you know, I need to live, I ate, you know. But then beyond that, if that's when it started getting creepy.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

That's just when it started getting well, it's always yeah, the whole the whole scenario is creepy, and I'm not defending them either because because it's just creepy that the zombies come back to being human, but we have to accept that what they did while they were zombies was something beyond their control. That was something like of like um a virus that makes you do something that you don't want to do. Um, we've seen where they've tried to get cures for zombies in movies before, and um that never never seems to work. But in this one, we actually get one. And so that that is nice. That's nice and nice, refreshing. Refreshing. It is very refreshing, especially for this love story, this Romeo and Juliet.

SPEAKER_01 53:24

I'm still not digging the love story, but but I do like that they're using it for the vehicle for this transformation of uh zombie dumb back into human dumb. I don't know why I said that. Just because I wanted to say dumb at the end of each of those words. But, anyways, that was Warm Bodies and uh oh gosh, I own this, so I don't know where you could watch it. Where did you watch it?

SPEAKER_02 53:59

It was on Hulu, not Hulu, um, it was on howdy and on Prime, I believe. But Howdy is a subscription one. We do pay for it, so um I'm not sure where else, but there were two places that you could find it at, and I watched it with um Howdy.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

Okay, all right. So that was Warm Bodies. Um I enjoyed it even though I I enjoyed just because it's it's a good movie. It's a fun movie. It's just it really is. Taking aside all the the creepy parts, like I said, as far as like, you know, why is she falling in love with him and all that? It's a fun movie. I like it. I like the bonies, I love the corpses, I love the evolution of the the transformation, I love it all. Um, I'm just not gonna be on the side of the of the of this weird little love. I was gonna say love triangle, but there's no triangle anymore because uh that dude got eaten. So okay, and that was Warm Zombies. Uh that's our third movie in this. You said Warm Zombies. Warm bodies. I said I was gonna say warm zombies. Okay, that was Warm Bodies, uh, the third movie in our uh series of four for zombies. And uh we'll figure out what the next movie is. I like I like thinking about it, waiting till the last minute to figure it out because it's like the reason uh reason we're not a little bit more uh um prepared with this is because we have a whole bunch of fucking zombie movies that we're trying to get through and we're like, which ones, which ones, goddammit. There are so many good ones, and there are also so many different kinds of uh uh different kinds of zombies too that we're trying to explore here. So, but anyways, so Alma, if people want to yell at us and tell us this is the movie that you should be talking about, or this is my favorite kind of zombie, or whatever they want to yell at us, where can they get a hold of us on the interwebs?

SPEAKER_02 56:04

They can find us on our website, thegory details podcast.com, on Instagram, where thegory podcast, on blue sky, where the gory details, or you can see us over on buymea coffee.com slash thegory details.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

All right, everybody, thank you so much for listening until next week. Bye. Bye bye.