Worst Weekend Ever // Eden Lake

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Welcome to the Gory Details podcast, where we discuss horror from every angle. It's all fair game. We break it down with humor, sarcasm, and curiosity, looking at what scares and excites us most, what gets ignored, and the people shaping the genre right now. And speaking of people shaping the genre right now, this is my lovely co-host Alma, who just introduced herself. I saw you drinking something just a second ago. What are you drinking?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Oh, I'm having a modello. Yummy.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

And I'm over here drinking boring water. I was gonna ask what's in that giant mug of yours. I have I have a giant mug. It says good vibes only. Oh, why am I showing it to y'all? Like y'all can see it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Yeah, they can see it. They can see it. Well, you described it for us. It's huge. I always wonder what everybody has in their giant mugs.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Yeah, it's just boring water. Nothing exciting.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

All right. So what have you been reading or watching anything new lately?

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Okay, so reading, not really. The last thing I read was um why did I keep forgetting the name of that book? The Psycho Book. The one that's dated to the movie. Victorian Psycho? Yes, Victorian Psycho. Yeah. Okay. So that's the last book that I read. And then um watching, I've just been watching little things here and there. I started to watch The Ruins the other day. And then I watched High Fidelity. That's the movie with John Kuzak. I forget what year was made. I watched that. That was a really good movie. Not horror, I know, but uh um, but yeah, I'd mostly just been busy with uh I was just doing stuff for the blog and then work and yeah, just being boring pretty much, not watching anything exciting.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Yeah, I haven't been watching a lot of movies lately, except for what we've been coming up with for the podcast. But I did finish off the From um, the latest season of From. I don't know if you watch it, but man, I love that show. That show is awesome.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

No, not at all. Uh I don't even know what it's about, to tell you the truth. Ooh, maybe I could get you into it.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Okay, tell me what's about. Okay, so these people, they're all stuck in a little town that they all mysteriously get to. There's no way out, and monsters come out at night. Okay. That's basically the premise. I'm so there you go. There you go. It's an awesome show.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

Speaking of watching monsters and the like, let's get into this movie here. Uh, we're not specifically talking about monsters, but my worst kind of monster. When we're talking about scary things, for me, the worst monster, the scariest movies are the ones that involve people, where people are the thing, the the the monster, the horror, the thing that gets you. And that's what it is in this movie, Eden Lake. It a hundred percent just oh my god, it just really gets to me, this movie.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

I'm glad you picked it because I have never seen it before.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Oh, you hadn't? Oh, okay. I had seen it before, but I remembered it differently, and I'm so glad that I saw it again because it gave me a different view of what I had thought I had seen before. That made sense in my brain. I don't know if it made sense to anybody else who just heard that sentence, but it made sense in my brain.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Well, I think you got it right with frustrating because you wanted to watch a movie that frustrated you. And um, yeah, I would say that was a lot of the movie. And since it was a first-time watch for me, I found it pretty exciting. I found watched it midday and I was like, I should have watched this at night. It had way better vibes than I thought it was gonna be.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Um, well, getting into the movie, all right. So it's this movie, Eden Lake, 74% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's that's pretty good, I'd say, for uh this type of movie. Um, and IMDB describes it as when a couple goes to a remote lake for a romantic getaway, their quiet weekend is shattered by an aggressive group of kids. Rowdiness quickly turns to rage as the teens terrorize them, and a weekend outing becomes a battle for survival. Uh I think it's pretty close to what happened. Um, I wouldn't say shattered by an aggressive group of kids, but I think there was a little, it was a little close, I think, for the description there. Um, usually uh I like to read, I like to read IMDBs uh and compare it to what actually happened in the movie because sometimes they can get it completely wrong, like we have the week past weeks past when we read the the descriptions here. But um, anyways, Alma, tell us uh who wrote it, who's in it, what's tell us all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

It's written and directed by James Watkins. Kelly Riley plays Jenny, Michael Fassbender plays Steve, Jack O'Connell plays Brett. Now, this has a cast of like a hardcore group of teens, and I just didn't feel like mentioning them because they're all kind of like just the supporting cast. I know it's kind of rude, huh? Brett is the ringleader of them. He's the one who really gets the show going.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

But uh, yeah, great cast. Everybody's fantastic in it. Everybody, all the kids play perfect little shits in this movie. Love it.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Well, I think that the group of them don't start off like the way it mentions, an aggressive group of kids. I think that they're just being teens. And um this couple they come upon, you know, where they're heading out to a quarry so they can spend a romantic getaway together, and they come across these kids. And one of the first things that I noticed um was that they didn't need to go bother the teenagers. Well, first of all, they're tr they're all trespassing, aren't they?

SPEAKER_02 7:04

They're all trespassing. And that's that's the first thing that that really got to me. Um oh, that's one thing I didn't mention. One of the reasons I mentioned, uh, or one of the reasons I chose this movie was because I wanted to talk about bad decisions, bad decisions that we make that lead to uh not we make, I I hopefully I'm not making these bad decisions, but that we make in in horror movies that lead to to our deaths. And this movie is one that I remembered as uh a whole bunch of bad decisions leading to the finale. Yes. And uh but yeah, it's they are are trespassing. Yes, the couple, this young couple. And uh yeah, so what did what did they really expect? Of course it's it's the uh it's the boyfriend that is the one that insists on he insists on excuse my lisp, but uh um going beyond the fenced in area to go and because he must take his girlfriend to the quarry for this weekend getaway. Well but to be fair, I'm not not to be fair, but to be fair, he wants to um propose to her. He's got the ring, he's got the whole thing, and uh he set it up really nice to be with her that week and and then this group of teenagers, you know, they just happen to be there as well, ruining his fun. And then like an idiot, like an idiot, he goes to confront them, which he really shouldn't have because he should have just packed up and left like she wanted to. She wanted to get the fuck out of there.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

If if a group of people, this is how it is, it's public. The kids showed up after them, yes, we know you got there first, but the kids just had loud music and were just hanging out and weren't bothering anyone at that point. They were just being loud. And the thing is, it's the public and it's not even public, they're on private property, but it's the middle of the day. He goes up to them to tell them to turn down their music, and I just didn't think that he needed to do all that. I think I would have just packed it up and moved it further down and away. Further down away, or just left. One of the two. The the options were plenty because they're the grown-ups.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Thank you. They're the grown-ups. That was it. That's the key right there. They're the grown-ups, and why did they have to be right next to each other? I can I can get the the kids walking up and being little shits and being like, let's park our asses right next to these grown-ups and be little shits to them, right? I totally get that. But then for them to insist, the couple to insist on staying there in that spot, I have I I have to believe that there was more coast on that little whatever the fuck that was, lake or oh yeah, it's Eden Lake. I forgot. I have to believe there was more coast on that fucking lake that they could have enjoyed uh, you know, the weekend on. But no, they insist on staying there, and then it leads to this fucking weekend of terrorization from this fucking, you know, group. Well, again, it started with Steve, that's the boyfriend, uh going to confront the kid the kids. Uh I think it's fair that he probably at one point said, maybe, hey, keep the music down. Maybe I'll give him that one time. Maybe. But beyond that, what's that?

SPEAKER_00 11:08

It's daytime. I was just thinking to myself, it's daytime.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yeah, it is daytime, but that's why I said I'm I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to play devil's advocate here and say that maybe let's pretend that he was in the right by going up to them and saying, like, hey, keep the music down even if it is in the daytime, right? But beyond that, no.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Yeah, I think it was too much. Too much. Okay, so right after that first night, the kids they busted their tire. They set it up to where they would bust their tire the next morning, and they end up finding where the kids live, and what does he do there? This is I'm gonna mention all the things that he did that were that were wrong. And one of them was finding where these kids live, and instead of talking to the parents or waiting around to see who's gonna show up, he enters these people's home.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

He went into the house, he walked into a stranger's home and just starts wandering around.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Wandering. And it's a it's he doesn't catch them, he doesn't anything. The dad shows up who lives there, and he gets scared and runs off out the window like a chicken. But the dad, what was he gonna do? Why was he so far into that house? Why was he snooping around that house? Everything that he did was a bad idea. They should have just left it alone.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Well, here's the thing. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but here's the thing. He left his girlfriend out in the car just sitting out there just so that she can get picked on by somebody who came by. What was he expecting? She's sitting out there to answer any questions from anybody who decides to pull up, you know, and then he goes inside to do what? You know, it just none of it makes sense. He's not thinking, he's just it's his pride. Something about his pride, his ego. He wants to go and just he's this machismo thing. So it's like he's back in high school or something. He refuses to back down, he wants to stand out to these teenagers, doesn't want to look weak, and he just keeps escalating it like just keeps escalating everything.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

And instead of reporting it either, like this is another stupid decision, if it bothered him that much, he could have gone to the local cops and reported that the teens had broke his busted his tire or something. Instead, he goes back to his original plan of we're gonna stay by the quarry because I want to propose to her, and they go back to the quarry where inevitably these teens are going to show up again.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

Yeah. And speaking of proposal, I mean, do we even think that he was doing any of this for her? Does he doing this to protect her? Was he doing this to make it a good weekend for her? Like, did he think of her at all during this? Like, I'm trying to make this a beautiful quiet weekend for my girlfriend. Was he really doing that? Or I or was he just doing this for himself? Because I mean, you had a plan. Right. I mean, could you say that, oh no, he was trying to get rid of the teenagers for her so they could have a nice quiet weekend? Or could he have just said, hey, let's have a nice quiet weekend somewhere else. Let's pack up and go find a hotel or a BB or something.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

I would have from the moment that they were staying somewhere where all they could hear was kids and people fighting. I that's not my idea of a good time. None of it was, and um, and she really didn't want to be there either. I mean, she didn't even want to get in the water, and they just are waiting around for what? If he really wanted to propose, I kept thinking, why didn't he propose already? They were there for the second day. What day, what perfect time was he waiting for? I guess it got interrupted because as we know, the teens on the second day, they steal their bag and steal their car and go take it for joy ride, a joy ride. Um, they're just flying around in the car and they find them and yet they still don't do anything about it because they're looking for the car the whole time instead of looking for the road or looking for maybe reception on their phone so that they can call 999 because they're not in America. So that's why I said that. Um, so what was their plan there? They're just gonna try to chase down the teens by the time that they're stealing the car. That's next level like felon stuff. Like that's uh uh felonies that we're talking about multiple, and I just think that they should have stepped it up a little bit there. They should have cared more about themselves than cared about the car and trekked it out of there because that was it was funny kind of okay. I admit it, they're driving around in their car or whatever, but they stole the car. These kids obviously do not care. You bothered them, now they're gonna bother you back, and they really don't care about the repercussions. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

These kids stole a car, they almost ran you over, they don't fucking care about you. They, I mean, you're right. They were looking for the car, Steve and what's her name? I think I wrote down her name. I can't even remember. Jenny. Steve and Jenny are walking through the woods at night looking for their vehicle instead of looking for a road so they can get the fuck out of there. Again, it's like a fucking pride thing or something weird with this guy. It just doesn't make sense. Well, what is he gonna do? Confront the teenagers, all however many of them there were. Give me my car, please. Oh yes, sir, here you go. Uh just because he's an adult.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

I mean, and when he confronts them, that's when it gets even worse because obviously that's what's gonna happen. Um, the kids all have little knives on them or something, and shit hits the fan like that night because they pull the knives on the grown-ups, and the grown-ups don't know what to do, and they end up in a tussle, which ends up killing the dog, which I'm surprised you didn't mention because usually you bring up checking that these movies on does the dog die or not.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

And this one I'm surprised. This one had one. I didn't mention that. I apologize. There's a great website, does the dogdie dot com, and you go on there anytime you see an animal, and it tells you if the animal died and this one died. I'm sorry. Um, but it was a cute little actor dog.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Mm-hmm. And the the teens immediately get really upset. Well, Brett gets very upset because that's his dog, and blames it on the adults, and of course, he starts getting angry, and it becomes this is when everything takes a turn for the worse.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

I mean, it was already bad, but this would this is when it really gets fucked up because it's like his best friend was just killed, and it's not a dog anymore. It was like his friend was killed, and they just go full-on bonkers now. Um Steve and Jenny. Yeah, Steve and Jenny get the keys back to the vehicle, and they are they take off. But again, they just what happens whenever they get a car? What happens? They're just not smart, they forget how to drive.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Yeah, that's what happens. They always get in a car wreck. That's what always happens whenever there's a car. There's gonna be a car wreck, and um what's his name? Steve gets stuck in the car and Jenny is sent out to go find the road, but it ends up a whole nother night that she's just wandering around and he gets taken by the teens.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Okay, so another stupid decision was they get separated. I mean, kind of unavoidable, but it was avoidable because of all the mess beforehand. But they get separated because he's stuck in the car and she has to take off, like you said. She's wandering and everything. He gets taken by the kids in the to do God knows what. That part always gets gets. I say always, I've watched this movie twice, but that part always gets me. That's just like I get sick feeling in my stomach knowing that they're coming to get him. Cause like, what the fuck are they gonna do to him? What are they gonna do to him?

SPEAKER_00 20:44

And and then when I see what they do to him, it's like, oh God. I think it's amazing that she wandered all night. I'm I'm not gonna think it's a dumb thing that she couldn't find the road or couldn't find a way out because she's never been there before. Right. But what I find interesting is that they keep finding each other in this woods. So they're not finding anything, but they keep finding each other because she ends up finding them in the state that he is with the teens uh having um tied him up and he looks beat up. He looks like he's already been messed up pretty badly, and she finds him and she's just watching as these teens take turns stabbing him and um messing him up pretty bad, and he's tied up with barbed wire. Yeah, it is because she's watching the whole time. But what are the chances of her? I know it's a movie, but what are the chances of her wandering all night and not finding her way out, and yet she finds him with these teens again? Oh, I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

I I every time, every time they find a way to find each other, or um the the kids and her. The him and whatever. I always like, oh yeah, they just happen to find each other. How big are these these woods here or this area? Um but yeah, not but again, it's just a movie. You have to suspend disbelief when you start watching these things. But uh yeah, they fuck them up so good though. It's just like, oh my it's just it's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Well, she has her phone and she manages to remote dial from his phone nine nine nine. Now, this is why I bring in this up because I didn't understand that. If she had enough bars or reception to remote call from his phone, why didn't she call 999 from her own phone? That confuses me. I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

I don't understand it either. Uh this this is this he movie, I think we said came out in 2008. So it must be a 2008 cellular rule of some sort. We just have to go with it.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

I don't remember. Okay, because that confused me big time. I just was wondering if she could get his phone to dial 999, why didn't she just dial it from her own phone? But when they did that, they had his phone, so they stopped it immediately. And what happens is um what happens at that point? They find her because she calls. Yeah, okay, yeah. That's when they realize she's nearby because she did that, and so they start chasing her off again, and he manages to get free Steve.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Manages alive at this point, which he really shouldn't be alive at this point. And yeah, just again, suspend disbelief. Suspend disbelief. I keep telling myself he's alive for a reason. They it's a plot it's a plot reason, but gotta keep on going.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

And then they end up finding each other again, again in the woods. And it just keeps getting worse for them.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

I just it's it's frustrating in that they can't seem to find their way out to me. And I do a lot of victim blaming here in this one, but it's a movie.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Oh, in this one, this one it's totally okay because first of all, it's just a movie. Secondly, because they deserve it, and thirdly, they really deserve it. No, actually, no, she doesn't. She from the beginning was the one that was speaking the truth or the total sensitive situation. She was like, let's go, don't do that, let's do this, you know. And he was the one that was doing the total opposite of everything that you should do. And so that's why everything that happened afterwards, I I totally felt horrible for her. She was put in a situation that she didn't want to be in from the very beginning. And then at the very end, she gets fucked horribly.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

It gets worse for everybody after this point because there's gonna be after the stabbing incident. Okay, so he gets Brett hypes up the whole crowd of them, you know. It's a good sized group. What was it, like five or six kids? I can't even say that.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Five or six kids.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah. He has them each become part of this, and he's making one of the one of them, the girl in the group, Paige, I believe that was her name, um, videotape everything that's going on as like you're in it. I have proof. Now you're gonna have to do whatever I say. As things keep getting worse for everybody, they're all in it together. There's no way for them to get out because now he has them all in on it, literally, each one of them. And this is when you mentioned before about is it scary or supernatural or people? This is when it becomes so realistic because it reminds me of so many true crime cases. Um, how a group of people will end up doing the worst things possible because they're in a group and you think like one of them is gonna say, no, I've had enough. Well, they do try to say, no, this is too much, this is too much, but then they're easily pulled back in and become part of it to where now they're compliant in this whole um in this whole crime. So how far are they gonna push it? There's there's just no limit now, because each of them has done something worse. When the couple gets back together again after they flee and Steve gets loose and and he's bleeding to death. Like they have stuck him with box cutters, with knives, barbed wire. They've probably been beating him all night. And um Jenny ends up taking off and trying to leave him in his spot so that hopefully he'll be fine until she goes and finds help. But who finds them again? The teens find him again, and it's like they just keep fighting him, and it's like, how do they keep fighting him? Well, they find him again, and this time they tie him up, and she ends up finding a little boy in the woods who's supposed to go help her find her way out, but instead he's in on it kind of too, because he gets picked on by the bullies, and he has them meet up with the group. So now the little kid is in on it too.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Now it's an even bigger group. Exactly. But I I feel sorry for that little boy who was being picked on by them because yeah, because he didn't know what's going on. He doesn't know, yeah, exactly. He doesn't know what's going on. He's just this innocent little kid that goes into the woods and does his thing, and then he gets picked on by these bullies, and they tell him to do something. He's like, Okay, I'm gonna do this thing for you. Maybe you won't bully me anymore. And then they fucking go on to continue to be assholes to him, and then they fucking kill him. He ends up pretty awful. And it's like, what the fuck? That's where it really I mean it was already over the top, but that's when it really went like they actually killed someone there, and now we're like there's no turning back. They fucking did it.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Well when they find yeah, when they find Steve and they tied him back up with Jenny, they decide that they're gonna set them on fire. Now, I think at that point Steve was already dead because they light him on fire and he doesn't make any noise, and she manages to get free during the fire, and then they kill the little boy with fire as well, and she gets loose, but I think, yeah, so by then there's two dead people. There's Steve dead, and there's also um the little boy, so they're really and she's really in trouble. She just needs to find her ass the way out of there somehow. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

But I think the reason I don't know if you noticed the the look on the some of the kids' faces when they when that little boy was on fire. I think it was different because when they were all stabbing Steve, Steve, that's his name, right? Um they were all stabbing him. It was like they all took part in it, and then he like bled out, you know, and it took him a while. Whereas they set a kid on fire. That's different. They set one of uh them, even though he's not one of them, they set one of them on fire, and I think that's why it was different. It's like that was really horrendous. So I don't know. I just I just noticed the look on some of their faces, like like that was that was one of those things.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

I was pretty sure that was it for for all of them because once he's dead, once they kill the little kid, uh, and she's off on her own, I really didn't think it was gonna matter to her. I honestly guessed from that point on that she was gonna end up dying because um I thought if they're just gonna kill this little kid who had nothing to do with anything, then it's just gonna get worse from there. She manages to arm herself with a piece of broken glass. One of the group of teens comes upon her, and I think he was gonna talk to her or try to help her get free, but instead she ends up stabbing him in the neck and killing him and feels really awful while she holds him while he bleeds to death. And that is even worse. So that's another dead person, and so from that moment on, I'm thinking, okay, the only thing that this movie is gonna end up with is her being dead and maybe a couple more of these kids being dead.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

And that was okay, that was that's a hard one because it was the kid that had the most trouble being a part of it. But he still did it.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

But he still did it, and he he cut him pretty awful too, that one wound that he ended up in his side. Um he wasn't gonna get out of it either. Like none of these, these no one's gonna get away with anything. Yeah. At this point, nobody's getting away with anything, but that's why the the the it's not even playing field, it's not it's not what's in the expression there, they're just everybody everything is fucked. Exactly I was thinking of. That's a good expression right there. But yeah, everybody's fucked, and so who's gonna be the worst in the situation is what's happening right now. What's gonna be the worst thing that these things are that these kids are doing?

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Everybody's screwed because now she has killed one of the kids, and I can't see it having gone any other way because she's fighting literally for her life, and she doesn't know which kid had trouble with what, and you know, which one was struggling with killing her boyfriend and all of this. She just, I need to survive. I this is how I survive. This is what happened. Okay, now this is one obstacle out of the way. Here I go. I'm going off here now, and then she manages somehow to get to the road, was it?

SPEAKER_00 33:07

Yes, she gets to the road finally. And who is it that finds her? It's the boy Brett's older brother who's come to look for him because he hasn't been home in a couple of days. Of course, she has she's like a magnet to trouble. What the fuck? And that that was one of the things I was thinking of the whole time. Um, because they they, Steve and Jenny, found where the kids live, or at least where one of the kids lived. They know that they live by the quarry. That's probably why they're always fucking around around there. So when that at that point, I wouldn't trust anybody who comes upon the road because I would think that they live nearby, or they're close by, or they're all together, because this is a large group of kids. It's not like a large group, but you know what I mean? They obviously know each other. The town, you know, is right there. When they went out for breakfast that one morning after their tire gets busted out, nobody seemed to care that their tire was busted or that the teens are rowdy. Oh, they're just being boys, being boys, um, you know, that sort of thing. So when she finds the road, the first thing I think of is, yeah, that's not somebody you're going to be able to trust. But she does a smart thing and she ends up stealing the car from them. But once again, when we get a car, what happens? We forget how to drive and we have a car accident. Yeah. She has a car accident into somebody's front lawn, goes inside and finds a party going on and finds a whole group of people having fun. And nobody calls the police.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Well, no, nobody calls the police. They're taking care of her because they, I don't know. There was another vehicle. I don't think we ever get into who the other vehicle is that she crashed into. Do we? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

No, because everybody was being loud in the party. They didn't hear her crash into the other vehicle.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

Okay, so I guess we don't care.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Yeah, you're right. There was another car on the road that made her swerve or whatever. Yeah, they don't get into it.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

So we don't, we I guess we don't care about the other vehicle that she crashed into or whatever. She wanders into this party. They're taking care of business, trying to take care of her, like, oh, you poor thing, you know, you've been through some trauma. Let's help you. And uh at the same time, the family in the house is getting phone calls from the kids. This is what's going on. We don't hear what the kids are saying on the phone, but we we're getting the gist of it. That's like, of course, they're giving information. Uh I'm thinking though, what the fuck are they telling these parents though? Because they obviously gave them the full fucking story for them to come trying to bust through that door when Jenny finally gets into that bathroom to hide from the family. She's like, she's like, she's fucking stuck in there. There's no window to get out. Nope. She can't get out of the house because it'll be right.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

They haven't dialed 911 or they haven't dialed 999. Nope. They haven't done anything.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

She's just like, just families. Yeah. So they fucking opened the door and they all like she's just standing there, and there's fucking Brett standing there, like, yep. Basically, this is her. This is the one that did it. And all right, let's take care of business, the family says. And that's how it ends. That's how the fucking movie ends. That's how the fucking movie ends. Oh my fucking God, this pisses me off so much. That's how the movie ends. Sorry, I'm I'm cussing so much. I just can't help it. It's just like, this is so aggravating because she did not want to be there. She did not want any of this.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Nope. None of this. She never wanted to be there, and then and then everything just leads to her demise at every corner. And and you know, the worst if you think about what happens worse after all this, is they're all gonna get caught, but it doesn't matter anyway. It doesn't matter. That's why the movie ends so frustrating because it doesn't matter, she still gets killed anyway. So it's not like what what what is there gonna happen? Is there gonna be any justice here or anything like that? No, everything is just the worst case scenario, and she gets uh she's murdered, and Steve is murdered, and she does manage to take one of the kids out with the car, which I did like. Um, when she was driving, she ran over one of the kids, the girl. Because the girl was videotaping everything the whole time and didn't have wasn't doing anything, but she was videotaping everything going on. But that is the frustrating thing is that nothing comes of any of it.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

That's just it. They die.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

The end. It's it's just truly gut-wrenching. There's no there's no happy ending. Everybody's gonna get it at the end. They're gonna the the families, they got dead kids, they got people are gonna go to jail. We got dead Jenny, dead Steve, dead dog, dead little boy, dead everything Pai, dead Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

There's I wonder what if they had it listed, how many total has seven. Seven people died.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Oh okay. Yeah. Including the dog. Including the dog. See? Yes, nobody wins in this movie. That sucks. That sucks. But that's the way it ended.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Okay, so just a couple of quick questions for ya. What do you think the first truly bad decision was made that was made?

SPEAKER_00 39:39

I think the the first truly big d bad decision was them going up to the kids and asking them to turn down the music.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Really?

SPEAKER_02 39:50

That's the one.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

Yeah, I think so. Because they were minding their own business. Okay. At that point. The teens were just hanging out. They weren't coming over. The dog came over, right, and was barking in their faces. And what did they do? They got the dog back, right? They got the dog back. The dog was bothering them and they got their dog back. So um after that, it was like he was just annoyed by the children, period. Which is fine, be annoyed by the children. But he asked him to turn down and I thought, yeah, that was that was the decision that he made that that started him off on the wrong path.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Okay. See, I go even further back. I say when they fucking crossed the fence line and went into the fucking woods. I don't think they should have gone in there.

unknown 40:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Going places you're not supposed to go. Going places you're not supposed to go. Exactly. That's when they you find out it's it's fenced off and closed. You say, oh, let's go find a hotel or a B and B somewhere. I ain't I yeah. I I'm risk averse. That that's a thing, right? Yeah. That's me. I ain't gonna I ain't gonna mess around, especially I've watched too many horror movies.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

Including this one, which let us know don't go places where you're trespassing. Don't go places where you're not invited. Don't go bother people who aren't bothering you necessarily. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

And which decision do you think that was made was actually understandable? Was there any decision that was made that was actually understandable?

SPEAKER_00 41:35

Well, I don't think I don't think there's any because I if they had gotten the authorities involved involved after their tire was busted, I would have thought that that was something that they should have done. But after that, they don't make any any decision that leads them on any kind of path that is a smart one. They continue doing what they're doing. Um but yeah, I just don't see them doing any any smart thing.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Yeah, I'm trying to think. I can't think of a single decision that I'd be like, yeah, I would have made the same decision. No, because I would have fucking at the very beginning been like, oh, the fence is up, we can't go in. Oh well, let's go. Yeah. Yep. I'm not getting out of the car. Oh, you're gonna sleep down out there on the beach? Oh, I'm fucking staying in the car. That's it. I'm the I'm uh yeah, I'm no funsies. Sorry. That ain't me. Okay, which moment for you would you say was the most frustrating? I think for me it's a whole movie was very the most frustrating, but if you could pick one moment.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

When he got caught the first time and she was supposed to run off and go find the road, I found it the most frustrating because she comes upon him and finds him again and then watches the whole time, watches the whole time he's being stabbed by each of the kids and they're torturing him. Instead of running off or dialing 999, she stands there and waits. And I think that was the most frustrating part for me because I think that was the point where people could have lived and it could have just ended there, but instead it ends up playing out even worse because she remote dials his phone while they while she she knows that they have the phone. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

And that's how she gets found.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Yes. So I found that the most frustrating. I thought to myself, she should be running, she should be not there. I mean, if she was gonna watch him the whole time get stabbed by each one of those kids over and over again, then I think that she should have done something else.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Anything else. Right. Especially if she ends up trying to run at the end, anyways, when he yells out, run. Yes! If they're gonna spot you, they're gonna spot you anyway. You should have just ran. I think the you know, I hadn't thought of an answer until you said, you know, that. I think that would probably be the most frustrating moment for me, too, because why is it that people always do that in movies? They just sit there and they stare at the thing instead of running, they just they're it's like they're just captivated by the show, it seems like. It's like, no, run. I mean, it it sucks that they're in that situation, but why aren't you trying to get help? Why are you watching the thing go down when you're literally when you literally cannot do anything about it in that moment just by standing there and staring, running and helping, running to get help is doing something. There you go. What about the smartest decision? Was there any decision that was made that was that you would uh classify as a smart decision?

SPEAKER_00 45:24

Well, when she got into the car and took off in it, when she stole the car from the the guy who picked her up off the road, that was a smart decision. It just wasn't smart that she wasn't paying attention to the road or any of that kind of stuff. She was just, you know, that was just a poor decision after that moment. But getting in the car, getting in the driver's side, taking off was really smart. I thought she could have had it. I thought all she had to do was just keep driving until she gets to a police station. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Exactly. That was a very smart decision when she did that. Taking off. And then, like, yeah, just forget how to drive. They always forget how to drive. So frustrating. God damn, this fucking movie just pisses me off. I still like it, but it fucking pisses me off. So is this the type of movie that you would well I guess is this the type of subgenre that you would normally watch? I mean, I know that I gave you a choice between a couple of movies that we could watch this week, and you said this one, because the other movie you thought would be a bit too much for you.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Um and I think Well, the other reason was because the other movie was even more frustrating. Yes. It was it was beyond infuriating. I don't think I could ever watch it again. Uh-huh. It was just this one. How does this one come? I can watch this movie again. I could watch this movie again. I could recommend it. Okay. It's not my it's not my bag. Like, I'm not into the ones that are more of the people who end up killing. I know I think you are. Like, you you watch more movies where it's like it could be a real person who's killing you. I'd rather watch the supernatural ones. I'd rather watch the supernatural slashers. I would rather watch um a movie where it's not possible that it's gonna be real. That's why I like zombie movies so much. Um, but definitely the movies where the aggressor, where the monster, where the where the the predator is just a regular person, that kind of movie is really just not my bag. It's just I'm not gonna choose those on any given day for any reason. Well, you know, I'll watch them. I'm gonna watch them all eventually, but you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 47:57

Yeah. And for me, the reason I like them is because they for me are so real, you know, and that's truly terrifying. Yeah. And that's what gets under my skin and really just fucking just like and and it it frustrates me too, because it'll it's what gets the most reaction out of me. And don't get me wrong, I love my supernatural and my slashers and my all of that stuff, but it's a movie like this that really gets a a really that gut gut feeling, the reaction, the anxiety, everything going for me. And I love that feeling. No matter how much it frustrates me, and I'm watching it, I'm just like, uh, I hate this ending. You know, I still I I really, really enjoyed this movie. Um again, Eden Lake 2008. Oh, where did you watch this? Oh, I found it on Howdy.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

What's Howdy? It's an app on my TV. I don't know what it is exactly. I just know that I watch movies on there. I don't think it's a paid one. It has to be free because I think there's commercials.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Oh, okay. I never, never heard of that. Watch it be something like really popular and everybody knows about it except Dahlia, because Dahlia doesn't have to be. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

I just found it. It said it was available on there and it and I didn't have to pay for it, so I just hit it and put Pit play.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

I know I didn't pay either. I don't know what I watched it on, though, but I watched it, so and I didn't pay. That's all that matters. I'm gonna look up this howdy shit though. That sounds cool. Cool as fuck. All right, everybody. Well, that's it for this week. That was Eden Lake. Um, okay, Alma, why don't you tell everybody where they can find us on the interwebs?

SPEAKER_00 49:49

You can visit us on our website, thegory detailspodcast.com, on Instagram, thegory podcast, on blue sky, thegory details, and findmeacoffee.com slash thegory details.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

All right, everybody, thank you so much for listening until next week. Bye. Bye bye.