The Sixth Sense // I See The Twist Coming a Mile Away

SPEAKER_02 0:25

Hey, I'm Dahlia. And I'm Alma. Welcome to the Gory Details podcast, where we discuss horror from every angle. We break it down with humor, sarcasm, and curiosity, looking at what scares and excites us most, what gets ignored, and the people shaping the genre right now. And Alma and I are going to get right into discussing this movie because my internet went out right before we started recording. And I'm so scared of losing it because I was like already telling Alma. It's like I was ready to not record. And I I just like I want to talk about this movie, The Sixth Sense. Yeah, okay. I didn't, oh, I forgot to check what year this was. This was 99, I think it was. I was gonna say, let's just pretend it was 99, but Alma's nodding her head.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Okay. So this movie, obviously, it's every movie we discuss is gonna be full of spoilers. But this one, even more so, because not only is it from 99, but the twist is what makes this movie. So if you haven't seen this movie, you probably already know what happens, anyways. But it's still so good. It's still so good. I'm I'm just right out the gate. I'm telling you, I enjoy this movie. I don't know if Alma does.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

Yes, of course. Okay. No, no, I do, I do, I do big time. I it had been a long time since I've watched it too, so it was nice to watch it again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

And yeah, it has it has been a while for me. But we'll just get right into talking about it. This month, we are discussing ghosts and supernatural. This is okay. I wanted to watch this movie because I hadn't watched it in a while, but also because I love watching movies like this one where you know the ending or you know the twist, and then you try to like tear it apart. You know, like you watch a movie, it's like, wait a minute, let's go back and see if it held up. So we're gonna go through it, we're gonna see if it held up, but first we're gonna talk about 86% on rotten tomatoes. That's really good. Yeah, that's nice. You know what was even better? The audience meter, 90%. Wow. Wow, that's awesome. For a Shyamalan movie, that's like really good. I mean, that's really good for any movie, but definitely for M Knight.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

He's just like, he wants to put out some good movies, but I would dare say that the audience doesn't always agree with him whether they're good or not. Yeah, it's always a hit or miss, hit or miss. It is, it is definitely hit or miss. But IMDB describes this movie.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

Uh, I like this one. After being shot by a resentful former patient whom he failed to help. A Philadelphia child psychologist seeks redemption by treating a young boy with a disturbing secret.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Yeah. Written by, directed by, who's the cast? Tell me all that good stuff. It's written and directed by M.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Knight Shymelon. It stars Bruce Willis as Malcolm. His wife Anna is played by Olivia Williams. Tony Collette, my favorite. She's one of my favorite actresses. Um, she plays Lynn Sear, mother of Cole Sear, played by Haley Joel Osman. And oh yeah, Donnie Wahlberg makes an appearance as Vincent Gray.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Yes, an appearance, because it is a very small role, but he fucking went all out for that. He went out for that role.

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Yes, he did, losing 45 pounds. I think that's what it said for the role.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

That is just that's dedication, determination, and what the fuck are you thinking? You were in the movie, not even five minutes. Okay, so M Knight Shymelon's The Sixth Sense, 1999. Initial reactions. I said I liked it, Alma said she liked it. Apparently, the audience and the critics loved it too. Because I'm gonna go ahead and just say it. They loved it because with the fucking 80, whatever percent and the 90%, that's love right there. That's not just liking it. We're talking about uh we said ghosts this month. We also have uh special powers, the sixth sense.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Oh, yes, yes, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

I know. I was like thinking to myself, it's the sixth sense. Yeah, that's right. So the ghosts in this movie, um for me, not so scary. I think the story, I like the story. Obviously, I like the story. I said I love the movie. Um, but I like the story more than I like the actual ghosts in the story, if that makes sense. Am I making sense?

SPEAKER_03 5:30

Yeah, because they're not really related to the story anyway, other than the fact that he sees the ghosts. The the ghost stories inside of it don't propel anything other than the fact that he is actually just seeing them. So it's not like they're part of the of anything like he's researching or or he needs to find out what you know this ghost is doing in his house or whatever like that. It's just they're ghosts.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

Right. Yeah. Um, so I mean, we'll we could get into talking about the ghosts. Because I mean, some of them uh they you said they don't really propel the story, and they kind of really don't, because it could really bin pretty much any ghost, but we'll get into the discussion of them because there is a couple of scenes that um I feel are are noteworthy when it comes to uh speaking about the ghosts. And I know it sounds like I'm just totally forgetting that I said that they don't matter. They do matter, they just are not the big thing in this movie. For me, personally, the big theme in this movie is the relationships between mom and uh son, and then the relationship between uh Malcolm, that's Bruce Willis's character, right? Yeah, and his wife Anna. That's where this movie, I think, for me personally, it really shines. They're both in relationships where they're trying to connect to the other person, and it's just not happening. So we'll start off with Bruce Willis's character, Malcolm. Malcolm is a psychiatrist, a psychologist. I'm not quite sure if I remember correctly, but he works with children. And in the beginning of the movie, he gets an award, and we get a little bit of a glimpse into the relationship between the living relationship between him and his wife, Anna. And he's has he has spent a lot of time away from home. He works, works, works, he's all for the kids. That's why he gets this award, and she mentions it after he won the the award. They're at home and they're talking about it, and she does mention to him, to his face, that basically, hey, you uh you're not around very much, but it's okay. It kind of she says it's okay. She doesn't say those words, but she's kind of like saying, But it's okay because you do all this great stuff for the kids. So we're setting it up already that there's uh uh some type of separation, uh maybe a a literal physical separation between wife and husband. Would you agree? Yes, yes, uh definitely.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

And she mentions that this is a at least he's getting rewarded with something kind of not not like she was saying it like at least you're getting it, you know what I mean? Right. It was it was the way that she mentioned it was was was definitely um to highlight the fact that yes, he's missed out on a lot of home life for this.

SPEAKER_02 8:53

During this uh beginning, this conversation is when we get introduced to Donnie Wahlberg's character, who is a former patient of Malcolm. He's older now. I don't know how old he is. I'm not quite sure if it maybe it does matter. I don't know. Well, he said it'd been 10 years, so he's supposed to be young. Well, it's it'd been 10 years, but he could have been 10 years from the time that he was like 17. It's not very young to me. Anyways, the point is he's older than he was since he has been under the care of Malcolm, so he doesn't recognize him right away. That probably hurt his feelings. Yeah, I mean, uh Malcolm. Uh Donnie Wahlberg's character standing there, and he's all like telling him about him, and he's like, and he's going through. Malcolm's in his head trying to figure out, remember, okay, who is this kid? Because he's older. And then he it clicks for him. It's like, oh shit, it's this former patient of mine. And Donnie Wahlberg's character is really, really troubled. He was obviously troubled as a child because, you know, well, I don't want to say obviously. That's kind of rude of me. But he was a patient of of Malcolm's. So he had some issues going on. They've they've continued, they've gotten worse, and now he's here and he's confronting Malcolm. You didn't help me. I'm fucked up. But yet they're giving you this award for helping kids. And then of, I'm sure standing there, it's even a double hit when he finds out you don't even fucking remember me. First of all, you didn't help me. Secondly, you don't even fucking remember me.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Remember me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Yeah. So I mean, Theirdal Father of his own, I'm sure he treats lots of kids. But if you're standing there as this broken person and you're already feeling slighted, because you didn't get the help that apparently all these other kids are are getting. And now you're telling me you don't even fucking remember me. So that's not the reason he does it. I'm sure he went in already planning on doing this, but then he produces a gun and he fucking shoots Malcolm and he shoots himself. Fast forward a year, it's about a year later. We just skip all this time. We don't know what happened in this year, but in a year, there's there's uh there's been some changes going on here. We have a little boy. Oh my god, I forgot Hayley Joel Alsman's name in this show, in the movie. Cole. Cole. Okay. He's adorable in this movie. He's fucking adorable. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

That's like that's what why this the the ghost parts are what really stick with me sometimes because he's such a little boy and he looks so vulnerable. And just like just like Vincent when he was in his underwear, just trying to mind his, you know, do his business in front of everybody and be vulnerable. He was in his underwear, and then the little Haley Joe Oswald, when he was in his underwear, needing to go pee in the middle of the night, and there's ghosts in his house, is so sad. It's so sad because he's just um, you know, trying to go to the bathroom. Just and then the the little ghost parts aren't scary, but they're scary to him, you know? They're like scary to him. He has the moments where he sees these things and he just wants to close his eyes and make them go away, and they're still there, they're stuck there. And so they're very casual, the way that the like the one ghost that that comes in and says, Hey, let me show you where my dad keeps his gun, and then he turns around and he has a bullet hole in the back of his head. Um, that is not so much as a shocking thing as it is something that the that little Cole sees and is like, oh my god, you know what I mean? Can you imagine seeing that as a little kid? And that's where it hits you. The impact is from that, not so much from the ghost walking through the room casually.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

Yeah, yeah. I think you you yeah, that's perfectly said, because that's exactly you have this very just happens to be a bo adorable, uh, vulnerable. You said it perfectly, little boy. And um, he's already going through some having issues at home. He doesn't let on. Obviously, we know now because everybody knows about this movie, he sees dead people. But when we're introduced to him, he's uh child of a single mom who works at least two jobs that she's let on. Um he his dad is no longer in the picture. We don't really I mean he doesn't sit there ever and say, I miss my dad. I want I want my dad home. But he has these little things that he does that shows that he's still have trying to have some kind of connection to his dad. The watch that he wears that doesn't, you know, fit anymore. He's mentioned him. Um he has a drawing. I think a couple of times they show a drawing, which I I mean it could be anybody, I just thought it was his dad that he drew. Um one of the pictures that he puts up in the background. And so he's a he's a oh, and he gets picked on at school.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

So he's he's bullied, he's alone, he doesn't have anyone to talk to. He can't really talk to his mom because at the end of the day, that's his mom, you know, who wants to talk to their mom. But he also doesn't want to connect with her, but he doesn't know how. And his mom, which I think is go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

I think that he doesn't talk to her mostly because he doesn't want to scare her and he doesn't want her to look at him the way that everybody else looks at him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Oh yeah, he does say that. Yeah. But I still think he wants to connect with her. Oh, he doesn't like not talking to her.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Yeah, he wants to connect with her differently without her having to know what it is that he's hiding from her. Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Because he does get called. Oh, I don't know, do they ever actually call him freak, or does he just say they call him freak? It doesn't matter, but he doesn't like that. The, you know, his mom sets him up on play dates, which I think is so sweet for her to try, but god damn, these kids are cruel.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

I don't know how old is he supposed to be because that one guy looks like he's older, much older than him, too.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

But who the Tommy Tomasino? I love the name. Tommy Tomasino.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

They do look older than him because I think that they're trying to show him as more being small. I think they cast it that way. That way everybody else looked bigger than him, and he looked like more vulnerable, small child that would get picked on. You know.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

So you have this little boy who is struggling with several things, and then you introduce him to. I guess I should learn if he's a psychiatrist or psychologist. I want to say psychologist. He's gonna say I want to say psychologist because no psychiatrist is gonna talk to you that long. And the the dynamic is that you have Malcolm who wants to help Cole. It's his job, yes, to help him, but also because he has this fear of losing someone again. Another he doesn't necessarily think Cole is gonna go out and do the exact same thing that um Donny Wahlberg's character did, but he doesn't want to fail him the way Donnie Wahlberg's character claimed he felt. So he's all in. He is all in to want to help this little boy. So he shows up at the most random fucking places, and the first time I watched this fucking movie, I I didn't bat an eye. I'm like, yeah, he shows up at his house, that makes sense. Oh, he's at the school. Okay, that makes sense. We're some random place outside. Um he's following him outside his house. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

That's cool. He's chasing him into a church, that's fine, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Right, right. So I I didn't question that, but in this world, in this reality, we have ghosts who Cole says they don't know they're dead, so they go around doing shit. He doesn't use these words, but they go around doing shit, not seeing the reality, they make up their own reality. So in his mind, Malcolm's walking around. It makes sense for him to show up uh at the house after you know he's been gone for a long time. It makes sense to show up at school when there was an incident, you know, it makes sense to show up at these random places because there's always something preceding it, so he just doesn't randomly show up and like be like, oh hey dude, what's up? No, yeah, just something just happened. So he's somehow um connected to Cole like the other ghosts are because at first I remember thinking, is everything is all this shit, every time he sees a ghost, is in his house? Are all these people dying in his house? No, they're not. This isn't a death house, they're just somehow attracted to him. They m these ghosts appear around him. So he's having this pool, coal, to Malcolm. And Malcolm is able to, I guess, find him when he needs him.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Yep, they come visiting him whenever they need something, or they're just in the area, I guess, the way I think of it. Like hey, I was just like, Yeah, maybe in the building. Yeah, just chilling. But you're right, they have a pool to him because he can see them. They're definitely connected that way, like in some other movies we've seen that that yeah, that pool is so integral for the relationship that he has with these ghosts, because that's what is scary, because at any point something can just show up of any kind. And when they get mad, sometimes they're mad. And we saw one mad. We saw the lady that that had cut herself her wrists when she was angry and she was shouting at him, and that is really, really scary. And he sees all of that. He sees from the just the benign ghost to the scary ones, and he has little soldiers, and he he has he was repeating the Latin that one of them had said he'd met that ghost. I like that he had the little characters of the of the of the soldiers, and he asks um Malcolm, do you want to play the lieutenant blah blah whatever of the 16th Battalion and the whatever? Because that was an actual ghost that came to him. So he has these characters that he's playing with that are real people that he's met, and he's repeating this stuff that they say, which is sad shit.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

It is, it is. So not only is he going through his own shit, he gets picked on at school, his father left the home for who knows what reason. We have a mom that has to raise her child alone. So she's working at least two jobs, like I said. So there are periods of time where she's not around him when he's, you know, when he's out of school. And then not only does he see ghost be uh ghost people, ghosts, you said benign or scary ones, but even the benign ones, the ones that are not doing anything to him. Have got to be fucking scary because they're ghosts and you shouldn't be seeing ghosts. So he's having to deal with death on a daily basis. Stranger danger. So many things that he shouldn't have to be dealing with, but he is. And that's a lot. I don't know if I could do it. I see one ghost, I'm out. I'm done. I'm like, no, thank you. And he can't escape them. It's not like he could just go to school and escape them for the day because he motherfucking sees them at school.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

He sees them everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Everywhere. He sees them at a friend's house. Well, not really a friend, but he sees them at a peer's house. I just said peer. But yeah, yeah. So he's a co-worker. Yeah. So he doesn't get that break that any break. I was gonna say that somebody else gets, but somebody else, I don't know, maybe if they have the powers, they're like, oh, get away ghosts. He doesn't. He hasn't accomplished that yet. He is young, though. Maybe when he gets older, he can start doing that. We do get into how he can start helping the ghosts and all that a little bit later, but I still don't think that was the point of this movie. I don't think the point of this movie was to find out. Um he does help a ghost, but I don't think that's the the real point of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

I don't know. I know what you mean. I know what you're talking about because that wasn't what made the the ending. The ending was more to do with him and his mother's relationship and how he was able to finally come to the point that he needed to communicate this thing with her if he wanted to to make their like like she said, their family life better. They needed to connect, they needed she needed to know what was going on with Cole. And he helping that ghost wasn't it. That was part more to do with him coming to grips with this is what he's gonna see. Well, then he's gonna have to do something about it. If this is what he's stuck seeing, maybe there's ways for him to cope, figure it out. That's what he was doing on his own.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Which is so sad because you shouldn't have to do that, period. You know, you shouldn't have to see ghosts, you shouldn't have to, especially as a child, and then as a child, not only does he have to deal with his own shit, but now he has to deal with ghost shit, like I have to solve your problems too. I mean, no offense or anything. I think it's awesome that he's gonna be doing that as well, but it's like it sucks. He does he's not gonna get a childhood, and that's sad. But you did say that he found a way to cope with it, so maybe he'll find a way to um be able to, I don't know, pick and choose which ones he can work with and help make it more bearable. But it's it's sad. It it is sad. You're you're right. He at the end of the movie he has that connection with his mom, which is fantastic because now he's not alone. At least he's not alone. His mom knows his secret. She believes him. Well, it looks like she believes him, and so hopefully that means that he's not gonna be alone dealing with all of this really grown-up shit and supernatural shit at the same time. Malcolm and his wife, that's a story right there, because the first time I watched this, you think, or the first time you watch this, if you don't know the uh the twist, you think that this disfractured marriage. Because when right after he got the award for helping all these kids, I think it's from the city, was it the award? Made it sound like that. Yes, he got it from the mayor. Yeah. He, you know, and we got that glimpse into the fact that the wife Anna says, you know, you're not home a lot, you know, when she wasn't angry, she didn't seem angry about it. But because we picked up on that, or we were given that information that there's something going on in the marriage where they can't always be together can lead to friction later on.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

So when you see her looking like she's ignoring him, you're like, Yeah, yeah, it makes sense because look at him, he's still out there trying trying to help kids, never home because he's always following, you know, Cole around the town.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

He's always following fucking Cole around the town. And so he's not home. And so when you see Anna looking like she's ignoring him, it's like, okay, I get it. Yeah, it's great that he's going around trying to help all these kids, but at the same time, you know, it's time for you to come home and be with your wife.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

You married her, you married her for a reason, you married her because you love her, you married her because you want to be with her, and instead you're leaving her alone every night, and then you're late to your anniversary. Well, not really, but it looks like he's late to his anniversary. He comes up, he sees what he only what he wants to see. So he sees himself sitting there at the table with his wife, and she's ignoring him on their anniversary.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

That's sad.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Yes. She, I love watching this on a rewatch because she is doing such a good job of not making eye contact with him in a way that can be like, you know what? I'm not talking to you. You missed our anniversary. Or like, in reality, it's like you're not even there. So I'm I can't make eye contact with you because I'm missing you. I love the part where she gets up from the table and it looks like she very just matter-of-factly tells her husband, happy anniversary, and then gets up and leaves, kind of like, you know, you missed it, your fault. But it's really her sitting there being sad, having an anniversary dinner with her dead husband. Does she say that?

SPEAKER_03 28:46

She has an anniversary dinner by herself. Yeah. In honor of him. And it's not even that it makes it sadder. It makes it sadder. It does make it sadder.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

She it also is really sad when you see her. Um, I I guess it's her co-worker, her partner at work, or whatever the role is that he plays, I forget his name, but you have that gentleman that she works with that is trying to make a connection with her. And back off. Yeah. But from the view of Malcolm, it's like this this dirty little dick trying to get up on my wife. Yeah. That's what it looks like to him. But in reality, it's like, hey, your husband's been dead a year. Let's start, let's start dating. I don't know. Or maybe he could have just been nice. No. The point is she is starting to make a connection. And it's really sad. It makes me sad when you see that because she misses her husband. She but you can see her wanting a connection connection with some somebody. And that's what you see happening between her and her her coworker. And I like the ending when you see her actually smile. Oh that it's like it gave me like, even though I didn't, I'm I'm not quite sure I know anything about this guy that's trying to, you know, come on to her and everything like that. I just I like that there is hope for her to be happy because when Malcolm talks to her at the very end of the movie, she's sleeping, and Cole said, Hey, talk to your wife while she's sleeping. And Malcolm's like, Oh, okay, cool, I'll do that. And it's during that time while she's sleeping that he can talk to her and she can hear him, and she fucking smiles. She smiles hearing him to hearing Malcolm, her husband, talk to her. And it just like, oh, there's hope. I remember I I the ending makes me cry. I cried, I really did cry. It's there's something about having a dream. I'm gonna cry right now. I'm gonna fucking cry right now. There's something about, and it rings true. When you dream about a loved one who's passed away, there's something beautiful about it. And I love that she's having that and she's having that connection with him, even if it is if it is just during a dream. It's sweet to think that it's not just a dream because to her it may be just a dream. She's dreaming that he that they're talking, but he is really there, and that's what makes it so sweet. And I love that for her. I love that she she smiles. I love that it's kind of like a little bit of a permission for her to be like, hey, you can be happy again.

SPEAKER_03 31:55

You can be happy now. Yeah. Be free of me. Be free of me. You are no, but uh yeah, I I get it. It's it's it is a beautiful moment, and it's it doesn't take away anything, the fact that you've already seen it and then you watch it again, it it's just as fresh that that moment. I think it was a good time period that I hadn't watched it because I don't remember the last time I watched it, and and all those moments were fresh to me. And even though you know that he's a ghost the whole time, um you can pay attention to how they're interacting. Like, how how did you miss that? Or um watching Cole interact with him. Again, you're noticing these things, and you're like, okay, he's talking to him the whole time, and the first person that he's able to talk to, because you would think, oh, it's gonna be his mother. He has to talk to his mother, he has to talk to his mother, but it's a it's a ghost, and he's trying to tell that ghost himself that you're a ghost, but he's trying to not, he wants him to figure it out himself.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Which it which you don't get, you don't get a manual when you suddenly have these powers of the sixth sense. You don't get told, hey, and make sure you don't tell them that they're actually dead. That tells you something right there that makes it seem as though he learned that himself. Like what happened in the past that made him realize this little tidbit of, you know, I'm not gonna tell you you're a ghost, right? Outright, I'm not gonna do that. It means that he learned the hard way, probably. This poor little boy who probably learned the hard way. Don't tell someone they're a ghost because something bad can happen. Because he's not going around telling these ghosts, hey, you're a ghost, tell me what you want. You know, he's letting things happen.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

But he also found somebody that he can talk to about these things that he feels isn't telling somebody in his life about this who would ridicule him, who would um be scared or anything like that. He he finds this person to be a trusted adult as well. And that was kind of cool. Yeah, it's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yeah, and especially because um, well, it it was if you're gonna have a ghost, you but it might as well be a psychologist, you know? I I guess like maybe that's one ghost I want to shoe away because Lord knows I need uh uh a daily psychologist, but uh every single interaction that we see um seems to be uh interaction that he has with a ghost seems to be negative. Yeah. But if you think about it, I mean not all I don't know, not everybody well, okay. Let's stay, I'm gonna stay within this universe and it's in in this story because I'm starting to seek out other ghost stories right now, but I'm gonna I'm gonna stay to this one. Um so yes, in this story, in this uh world, the ghosts have something that they need to like some kind of unfinished business, something they need to do. Um but they're just so negative the things they it's it's I don't know if I'm making sense. I'm really not making sense now. What I'm trying to get at is these are negative experiences that are being had because the ghosts died violently. There we go. That's basically what I was trying to get. He is for some reason attracting ghosts that died violently. Um and he didn't just meet someone who died of, you know, cancer and like wants to tell his wife, hey, all the money's in this account, you know? It's like, no, I got hung or I got shot in the back of the head, or you know, it's it's all these violent ends, and those are their stories. They're not as the way you put it before, they they may be these are not benign experiences that they want to share with this little boy. It's like, hey, something fucked up happened to me, and now you get to see it. So it was nice that we have a ghost in Malcolm who happens to be a psychologist who works with kids, and he got shot somewhere where it wasn't, you know, apparent to you know, maybe he can see it. I don't know, but it's not apparent so that he can't. He can't.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

They made sure they made sure that that he was covered all the time. Like he he's only wearing clothing that he wore that night, the whole movie. Um there's one point where he's walking away after the I think it was after the smashed window incident, um, and he's holding his jacket shut. And I know that that's the side that he got shot at, shot in, or whatever. So, you know, I know they're purposely trying to cover him wherever that is, because he's not noticing. And the reason when they showed him the bullet on the hole in the front was there's no blood on that side, it's on the back side where he's not looking. And then later when he discovers that, he feels all that blood on the back of himself where he hasn't noticed because he hasn't looked. And very good point. It's really cool. I think it's really, really well done the way that they hide it, the whole movie for that big reveal.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

Oh, I love it. I love it. I I I watch this movie a hundred percent knowing the twist and still enjoy it. I'd like to think that most people do, but I know, I know it's this movie isn't for everybody, but I think for those of us who enjoy it, it's it's a fun rewatch. Because you get to go back and notice those things. So, like right now, when you fucking told me that he's walking down the street holding his jacket or a sweater or whatever he's wearing shut, I'm thinking to myself, I didn't notice that. That is so cool. I did it, but I every time I watch it, I see something new, I see something different. I catch something that was like, oh, I can see how that would never have been picked up. There's a part where the when Cole comes home and his mom, Lynn is her name, mom is sitting there and so is Malcolm. And they're not the chairs that they're sitting there in are not really facing each other. But when we're watching it on the first watch, it looks like they could have just finished a conversation, and then you know, mom leaves the room, makes it look like to leave the psychologist and the son alone so they can talk. But that was done really well too, because you don't have them sitting next to each other in a way to where they have to actively avoid each other or they have to look at each other or anything. It's just set up nicely where they're kind of next to each other and it kind of looks like they could have just finished a conversation. So smart to have done it that way. Then you have other times when the, like for example, when they're sitting at the table at the restaurant and the check is placed at the table for Anna, the wife, so that it's placed for her so she can pick up the check and sign it and pay. But it's placed in a way that makes it look like it can be for either of them.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

Yes, I like that.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

Yeah, I really, really like that.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

So she has to just reach just a little bit out of her, you know, area, and that way it looks like she's taking it away from him.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

So it's like, yeah, so it's like little things like that that they do very smartly, like, okay, we gotta make it look like it could be for, you know, this could be going on, but this is really going on. I would have hated to have been the person that was doing that because it's so much attention to detail, so much attention, uh, I cannot talk, attention to detail, that you could really mess it up and that it ruins the movie.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Because people are gonna re-watch it just for that twist. That is really smart to there's other movies that do this, and I wish I had thought about looking up these movies, but where the rewatch makes it more fun because you know what happened, and you're trying to pick apart and pick out all the things that are wrong. But I think in this movie, I'm sure there's something, but I I can never pick it out. As a matter of fact, every time I watch it, I find something new that I find interesting about it.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

I do. I do. I definitely saw so much not more, it's just that it like, well, maybe it was because it was like a refresher, because I hadn't seen it in so long. But each moment stood out more just because I was paying more attention to the screen, you know, with each little scene that you knew that was coming up, then you're like, oh, okay, well, they interacted here. Oh no, they didn't interact there. Um, oh, he was there, but oh wow, nobody saw him there. Um that kind of thing was fun to watch and definitely something new to discover when you watch it again, if you've only seen it one time.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Uh-huh. And there's also another thing that I love about this movie is the parts that you can say is like, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense. From the Malcolm perspective, they right away made that rule in the beginning of the movie where they tell us, hey, the ghosts only see what they want to see. So we're watching this movie kind of from Malcolm's point of view. So when you see, for example, like that closet door with the red knob, and he can never get in it, and you just and he, you know, he's like, he's looking for the keys to get in there. And I always find it fascinating that people have to have keys for doors in their own houses. But so yeah, so he can never get into that door. Then when he has the realization that shit, I'm dead, you see that there's something actually blocking the door, and it like appears. Yeah. It's like uh he never saw it. Yeah. He never saw it because when he was alive, that thing wasn't blocking the door.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

And all of Cole's words are what sticks in my head because it's like, yeah, they're only they only see what they want to see. Um and him finally realizing he's dead is is like, oh yeah, I love that. I love that moment with the stuff blocking that that door because he didn't see it. He wasn't seeing it at all. That was so great.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

And then they can explain things like how he says there's a part where Malcolm actually says, he's like, time's been getting away from me, or he says something like that. And then it's like, yeah, because he's obviously not seeing other patients, but has he ever really sat down to think about why he hasn't? No, he probably just thinks I'm going about my day. It's he appears somewhere and he's like, I've had a day already. I've had a day, and now I'm at this with this next patient. He never, you know, he never have to, uh, they never have to explain what he's doing all day because he's he's just out there appearing when he needs to be, and his mind is filling in all the gaps. So if he's sitting there, he doesn't have to think about his long day with all his other patients because he's in the moment and that's all he needs to see, and that's all he wants to see. All he wants to see is trying to help this kid. So none of the rest of the day doesn't matter. When he says that the time has been getting away from him and things like that, I he may have even said, I don't know if he said he's not sleeping. Well, I could be adding that part in. But it all makes sense because his day is centered around helping out coal, so his mind is fixated on that, fills in the rest and saying, in I'm sure, in a way that's saying, Oh, my day has been spent with patients. My day and then I need to go taken with my wife and then exactly that he pops in there. Yeah, and he doesn't have to think about the rest because that was just a day, and which also makes it sad. It makes it sad that he just appears when he's like, I don't know, but it's it's there's a depression uh theme also in this movie. You have it with even though he has a purpose, he wants to help this little boy the way he did not help Donnie Wahlberg's character. I know I keep calling him Donnie Wahlberg's character, but I forget the name of that ghost. Sorry. Oh, he's not a ghost, he's a real person.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

Yeah, he was a real person. Vincent Gray, but doesn't it?

SPEAKER_02 46:50

Yeah, Vincent Gray, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Vincent Gray, the he wanted to help Vincent Gray, he didn't get to help him. And so now his sole purpose is helping this little boy, and that just makes me sad. That makes me so sad. It's it ends up being he ends up having that connection with his wife at the end, which I like I said, I think is beautiful. It makes me cry, like I said, every time I watch it. But he came back and it was just to help this little boy. And that's I don't know. It's sad in a way that n because this little boy needs that much help, that he had this pool, this kind of something leading him to do that, but also at the same time it makes me sad because like you aren't there for your wife again. So I see I see the good and I also see the sad. Are you a fan of M Night Shyamalan? That's a tough question. This is a safe space. I you don't if you if you're if it's neither here nor here.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

No, it's not that I'm not a fan so much. It's just that like I'm gonna watch it if he makes a movie. You know, I'm gonna be interested in it. I'm gonna be piqued, you know. I I know some things that he did that are good. Some people don't like the village. I like the village. Um, I liked it. I remember because I was watching it the other night with my husband, and he was like, I don't like it. And I'm like, really? You know, and I'm like, but some of his movies they're just a hit or a miss. Yeah. So I wouldn't I wouldn't say that I'm not a fan or a fan, but I definitely he interests me. He's got some great ideas, and yeah, and each of his new movies are unique from the other one. And so I I like that. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

And I think with this movie, I think he set himself up for failure because this movie is so well done and so good. So good, so good. When he does his other movies that are gonna have some kind of twist or something, maybe not necessarily a twist or something that's that's a gotcha moment. People are looking at this movie and thinking, like, I don't know, man. Sixth cents was pretty fucking good. So he he came out doing this movie, and I'm the same way. I'm neither a fan nor not a fan. I did enjoy The Village. I wouldn't say it's like a great movie from in my taste, for my taste. Um, but I like it, and people don't like that one. I tend to like these twists and things that he does in his movies, even if I don't like the execution. That this movie, because it was so well done, it won Academy Awards. Uh I told myself to write down the amount, and all I wrote was, he it won Academy Awards. I think it won Best Picture. I could be making that up. Maybe it did. No, you know what? Maybe it just got nominated for Best Picture then.

SPEAKER_03 50:23

Uh I think he probably, because I don't think it I didn't think it won anything. I think I remember that Haley Joe Osman and Tony Collette were nominated. But they didn't win. Not that I know of.

SPEAKER_02 50:37

I should have looked that up before we watched that. Either way, my point is it did get recognition because it's because it's a good movie. And then he kind of set himself up for failure, like I said, because it's kind of like you have those uh one-hit wonders when you have in the music industry. It's like that's probably what people think about him in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 51:02

Now I feel like I need to need to know all the information about what awards this movie won.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Sorry, I told myself I wrote it down. I wrote it got um it got nominations. Oh, it won nominations. Okay, that's what it was. I just saw. Okay. It didn't win best picture. Sorry, guys. I probably everybody's yelling at me. You fucking idiot.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

No, you dummy. Don't call my sister a dummy.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

No, but I mean it it it got fucking nominations. That's pretty cool. When was the last time that uh M. Night Shymelon movie got a nomination from Academy Awards? Watch them I've gotten one. That would be funny. But anyways, so my point is really good movie. I think personally that it was well executed, done so nicely, and it makes me cry, so that makes for another good movie. If it makes me feel, I'm all there, man. So is there anything else that you want to say about the sixth sense?

SPEAKER_03 52:18

No, I think we've covered it. I think I think this was a uh I I like the movie. I like it, and and I'm glad that I will watch it again and that I it it's still good and that it it's still I wouldn't say holds up, you know what I mean? It's different watching it for a second time, um, but that it's just good, it's just good.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

And I like I also I think the other reason that I'm really sitting on this movie right now is because we've been watching movies that I've been such an asshole about.

SPEAKER_01 52:52

I have been such an asshole about some of the movies we've been watching. I'm like, I don't like it. And then I start tearing it apart.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

I'm so mean.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

I'm so mean, but I'm not. That's the thing that that get has gotten me these past few movies that we watch, where I'm like just tearing them apart. I'm like, I don't do that normally, and I think it's just because I wanted to watch, I just felt like watching a good movie and I did it. So maybe maybe Dahlia's gonna stop being such an asshole with the next movie. I don't know. What is that movie? Let me look. I have oh shit, it's the ring. The ring? Yes. Okay. We'll see. We'll see if Dahlia's an asshole about that movie. I won't give any spoilers about that one. But speaking of spoilers, it's not really spoiler-ish, but where can people find us on the internet?

SPEAKER_03 53:49

You can visit our website, thegory details podcast.com, over on Instagram, we're thegory podcast, on Blue Sky, We're the Gory Details, and you can visit us on buymeacoffee.com slash thegory details.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Thank you so much for joining us while we talked through the sixth cents. Good movie. Did I say it was a good movie already? I don't know. Yes. Okay. I I just wanted to make sure that everybody understood that I thought that I thought it was a good movie. Alma thought it was a good movie too. And until next week, when we discuss the ring. Bye. Bye bye.