In a Violent Nature // Get your steps in!

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Hey, I'm Dahlia, and I'm Alma. Welcome to the Gory Details podcast, where we discuss horror from every angle. We break it down with humor, sarcasm, and curiosity looking at what scares and excites us most, what gets ignored, and the people shaping the genre right now. I'm just going to start off by asking you, which I hope your answer is the same as mine, how was this past week for you? The past week was pretty great. Why? Right? It was pretty good. It was a pretty good fucking week. Oh, yay. I'm glad you had one too. Yeah. Well mine mostly comes from the fact that fucking Gina Josa and Talerico did what I wanted. I said what I wanted. Okay, what I craved, what I wanted, what I absolutely needed. And it has put me in such an amazing mood. We're Texans, okay? We're Texans. So I mean, I think we've mentioned before that we're from South Texas originally. So we were so excited in this household. I cried. I fucking cried. I cried. Aw, that's so insane. This was like the best thing that could have ever happened this year. And yeah, so I just want to kind of, and that kind of set the mood for the rest of the week. I was like, yeah, this week is fucking awesome. The next day after the elections, I like to walk outside and in Austin, man, there was a fucking crisp, cool little note to the air. The sky was so fucking clear and blue. I was like, dang, it was a nice day after. It was a really nice day.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

We went out and celebrated, had breakfast, and then we ended up celebrating the whole West of the Week. Um, yeah. We had two date nights. Wow. And we're just very, very happy. Very, very happy because I didn't even want to look at the news that night. I was afraid because I didn't want to, I didn't want to cry again and like in a negative way, you know, or like, oh no. I just was like, I'm just gonna let my nerves rest. And I slept, and my husband came and woke me up and said, guess what?

SPEAKER_03 2:51

What a beautiful way to get woken up. I was like, what? He was like, they won. I love that. And he told me about Talarico first, too, because he was like, Talerico won.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

And then I know that was great. And then that that, yeah, it just made my week. So having made my my year and my week, I went into this weekend. Like I'm I'm I'm jilling, I'm doing good. I was excited to watch. So now, yes, we're getting into our horror movies. I promise this is a horror show uh uh podcast. But I mean, I came in excited. I have been severely disappointed by a lot of the movies we've been watching, and I realize I am such a negative, negative person. I'm like, am I a negative person in general, or is it just this year or what's going on? Because I don't remember ever shitting on movies this much. And I've been shitting on movies. I mean, people are gonna be listening to this podcast and think, God, does is that all she does is just shit on movies nonstop. No, I fucking love watching horror, the good and the bad. I love watching um really fun practical effects. I love even if the story's not great, give me something, you know, to work with. And I've just been so mean lately. So when I I never heard of this movie, we're talking about slashers this month. And so going into this month, slashers, what do you consider a slasher movie?

SPEAKER_02 4:35

I consider it someone who kills like with weapons. And I say multiple weapons because you know, um Jason is is a slasher, um Mike Myers is a slasher, he uses a knife. Um any any movie where they you pick up a weapon and you are killing like that. That's what I consider to be a slasher. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Does uh just for you, does there have to be a final girl or a final person in these slashers?

SPEAKER_02 5:11

Oh yeah, okay. Um no, not really. I don't think so. It could be it could be a total like downer movie where nobody wins, you know? Okay. And um yeah, I don't c I don't think you have to have a a final a final girl or guy necessarily. I just think you have to have that that slasher killer.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Yes. That's the iconic part of a slasher killer, the I mean movie, the killer doing these killings in such a way that is so out of the norm. It is not, you know, your regular stuff that happens in reality out here in the world, you know. This is horror movie fun. I know that's horrible to say, but it is. It's it's fun because you can get into it. We watched some interesting slasher movies in the past. Uh I really I mean over the top too. Like Hatchet, remember Hatchet? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

That Hatchet was so over the top. I loved that trilogy of movies.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Way out there. So the reason I'm bringing this up is because I love slasher flicks. I love even those that are questionable but still deliver something, like the Hatchet series or the Hatchet franchise. Those are out there. They're really out there. Those kills and the story and everything, but it's still fun. So going into a violent nature, I was excited because I never heard of this movie. You suggested it though. Is this just a like a random you went on and looked for slasher flicks, or is this one you've watched before, or where did you hear about this movie?

SPEAKER_02 7:01

No, actually, I watched it before. I think I did a review on it when it first came out on Shudder. So um I have already seen it, but my husband recommended it because I said he asked me, What are you guys watching this month? And I said, Oh, slashers. And he goes, You should do it in Violet Nature. That was the first one that popped into his head. And so I was like, Oh my gosh, yeah, that's perfect. So uh I went ahead and picked it. And I haven't seen it since it first came out, so that was good. So that's a good pick.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

So this movie came out in 2024, so it is fairly recent. Remember, we talk all about the spoilers. So if you haven't seen this movie, you're gonna get spoilers while we're talking about it. Um 79% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's pretty fucking good. Ooh, that is 45% with the general the what they call the popcorn meter or whatever, but I always say just the general audience. So critics loved it, 79%. I say love it because for a horror movie that it is this violent, this gory, but 79% is really fucking good. And then 45% for the general audience. So IMDB describes this movie as when a locket is removed from a collapsed fire tower in the woods that entombs the rotting corpse of Johnny, a vengeful spirit spurred on by horrific 70-year-old crime, his body is resurrected and becomes hell-bent on retrieving it. Eh. Yeah. I'd say that's a pretty good description of it. Alma, why don't you tell us who wrote, directed the cast, all of that good stuff?

SPEAKER_02 8:39

All right. Um the the movie was written and directed by Chris Nash. Now, as far as the the cast, this movie is very interesting because it's done from like the perspective of the um of the killer. So the cast really isn't like, are you listening for their names? Like it, it's like you're overhearing everything. So um Rye Barrett plays Johnny, who is the killer. Um, Andrea Pavlovich is Chris, Reese Presley plays The Ranger, Charlotte Cregan is Aurora, Sam Rulston Rolston is Aaron. Um Leah Rose Sebastianis uh is Brody, Liam Leonis Troy, Cameron Love is Cold. Now it seems like there's a lot of people, so I'll just cut it off there. Because there are the cast, yeah, the there's a few people, but they're they're just to kill. So that's how I'll say it. There's your first spoiler people to kill. That's the cast.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Um a lot of killing in this movie. Do you find in Slasher movies that you're rooting for the kills or the people that are trying to survive the kills? I find personally, because it's just a movie, people, I am looking forward to the kills. I'm like, what are they gonna give me? Like again, I said I love practical effects. This movie is all about practical effects. So this movie's delivering on that. But yeah, so I I like the kills. I like it when you kind of see it from the perspective. I'm not saying like this movie does it. This movie does it from the viewpoint of the killer. We're following the killer along everything they do. And other movies have done this, and other movies have done this well, but they don't have to be specifically from the killer's perspective. I can be like watching it from a survivor's perspective and still kind of be like, oh, I kind of feel bad for that killer. I mean, they were I see why they're killing, and you know, that kind of thing. This movie, we get a little bit of background as well as why, why this per why uh Johnny, his name is Johnny the Killer. His name isn't Johnny the Killer, it's just Johnny. But Johnny the Killer. That's the coolest slasher name ever. That would be a great movie name, yeah. So, but in this movie, we specifically get it from his viewpoint, and we're getting it from his viewpoint differently than some of the other movies, the way some of the other movies have done it. All right, right. So let's just get into it. In a violent nature, when it first started, they were showing some words. I don't know if it was on the screen, if it was in a store. I don't remember where the fuck it was, but I just remember I saw a word and I'm like, ah, this movie's Canadian. And this movie is Canadian. It is a Canadian slasher flick. And not that it matters, but I just I was kind of proud of myself for picking that out just from a single word. Because you know, they always had the you and like, you know, words, you know, of like color and shit like that. So that's why I was like, oh, it's Canadian. But um, I've seen some great Canadian flicks and Canadian horror. What do you think I thought about this movie?

SPEAKER_02 12:07

I think you liked it. I think you liked it.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Okay. Well, let's get it.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Okay. And did you? Did how do you I think you liked it too because you suggested this movie again.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Well, yes, because you watched it. Because you watched it before and you're like, okay, I can watch this again and we can talk about it. And the fact that your husband recommended this movie makes me feel like it left an impression on him as well. And he doesn't do horror.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Yeah, yeah. He he watches everything that I watch, but it's not anything that he'll watch again. Like if I say, Hey, you want to watch this movie, uh uh, sometimes he'll pass and then other times he'll watch it, but he's not gonna watch it again. He's gonna let me watch whatever I want to watch.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

And I think that's really sweet. Like he'll sit next to you while you watch it and just let you enjoy it and all that. But so I'm I'm very interested in in why I'm obviously I'm not asking him because he's not here, but I'm curious what you how you feel about it that made him think, oh yeah, she wants to watch this again and she wants to talk about this because the fact that he recommended it, again, I've never heard of it. Yes, it's it was originally on Shudder and I watched it on Hulu. So I don't know if it's still on Shudder, but I watched it on Hulu. Where'd you watch it?

SPEAKER_02 13:23

I watched it on Prime. Well, that's because I don't have Hulu right now, and so I had to I had to rent it. So I didn't mind. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Well, technically I'm paying for it too, because I mean it's not like uh Hulu's free. So but it is a streaming service I already have, so that was nice. The movie, like I said, is from the killer's perspective. Starting off, I mean it is a start-off this way, but the way he comes out of his grave, uh, every slasher flick that has some kind of, I don't know, like supernatural thing behind behind it, we get a backstory because why we gotta explain why this killer is the way they are. And it always ends up being something supernatural. I don't care. There's there's so many ones out there that it that do it. And uh like Friday the 13th, and then we got here. They may start off like, oh, in this case, Johnny was a boy. I don't know. They talk about Johnny being somebody who was basically picked on by other people in the town because and I hate this fucking trope, that he was intellectually challenged, and therefore they made a point to make fun of him. You my dog. He didn't like it either. This this really pisses him off too when they do this in movies. He's like, I hate that. Damn it. I do, I really do hate that. I'm gonna have to hush him here in a second. Hold on. He's quiet now. But the thing I don't understand, okay, let's just get into it. He he was this intellectually um challenged individual that got picked on by the towns people, and they did something that eventually led to his death. And then they bury him, and then he comes back as Johnny the killer. Okay. So first and foremost, that trope is something that really bugs me. I wish again, it's just a movie, so I'm not asking for these people to really get killed. But if you're gonna have somebody who is killed and then becomes a killer, they don't have to have something wrong with them. Why? I mean, it's always some kind of like disfigurement or some kind of uh intellectual, you know, uh thing going on here. And it's just like right away I was kind of like, oh, I don't even know, but I'm I'm still giving the movie a chance.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

It was like uh old school vibes, but in like the not good way for you.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

The way that they make the movies back then, back then. Yeah. Um, yeah. Uh I didn't care for that either. And also he was he was he supposed to be a boy. I don't know. I think they just kept calling him his boy, that the son's the father's son a boy. And so, but he's full grown here. And you know, like, was he supposed to be or is he aging? We don't know. We just know that he is come back.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Yeah. Because they stole his locket. They stole his locket. So he comes back from the dead. I I will say that I really enjoyed this part. So the reason he comes back from the dead to seek revenge is because his locket, it wasn't his locket, it was a locket from his mom, was um where Johnny was buried, Johnny the killer was buried, they hung up a locket that belonged to his mom. And then supposedly this locket we find out later was the thing that was keeping him trapped, you know, in in this burial place. So when somebody comes into the woods and is just kind of like fucking around and sees a locket and they take it, they don't know what the locket is, they don't know the significance behind it, they don't know there's a dead body there. They take the locket and they walk off with it. And then Johnny the Killer comes out of the ground. This was actually pretty cool. I like the way they showed it. It was a very slow, kind of gradual crawling out of the wooded. It this is happening in the forest, in the woods. So there's lots of leaf cover. It's you know, lots of dirt, and um, the trees are around, and it's just it's muddy, and it's just kind of cool to watch this person dig them theirselves out of the ground. And I thought, I like this. I like the way he didn't just appear, he crawled out, he's like making his way out, but he was a full-grown man, so that's why it kind of confused me. It's like, was he a kid? Is this like Friday the 13th when he dies? He's like a 13-year-old boy, but then he comes back and he he's like, What the fuck? He's like 6'4 and all jacked and like all this muscles and shit. He's been lifting weight down there in the dirt and performing the cardio and shit. I was like, really? Okay, but again, it's it's a slasher flick. That's what we what gotta work with. So I'm like, okay, I'll but it's still kind of in my mind as I'm watching the movie, like, because they keep referring to the fucking story, they keep calling on that story, and it's like, so was he a boy or not? I I I don't know why things like that bug me. I I got just clean up that little loose thread right there, and then that way I don't have to fixate on it. Like, you can just say, like, he came back as a giant. I don't know. So he cuts back and right away he's out for revenge. You took my locket, my mommy gave me this locket, and he's gonna start killing. I mean, it's a slash of come on, give me a break. Of course, that's what's gonna happen. The great part about this, and I something I really did enjoy about this movie, is the no, there's no score. There's no musical score. And it's just like if he's walking in the woods, he's just fucking walking in the woods. You hear the leaves crunching underneath his feet, you hear the the sounds of nature, you hear the the far-off conversations that the people are having, that he can catch little bits of the conversation, but not completely. I mean, it's all from his perspective. And his perspective is I don't have a musical score following me around and I can't always hear everything that the people are saying. And I liked that. How did how did you like that?

SPEAKER_02 19:58

I did. And when it this first this movie first came out, it was advertised as ambient horror. And um, so it was pretty neat just to listen to the sounds of the the leaves crunching, the the sounds of thudding, the sounds of the killing. That's all you have to listen to. And I like the way that you kind of had a strain to listen to the conversations of the people because it wasn't your conversation and and it's what he's overhearing and while snooping around like like a like a creepy stalker, uh trying to find his his well. I guess he's not snooping around because you know what, something was taken from him. So he has the right to be snooping around, you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

So no, yeah. So I like that. I like that. Okay. So that's a plus for me. I love the beginning, the way he's crawling out. And then from there, it just kind of went eh for me. And I feel so bad about it because this movie had so much promise. I mean, it's gonna get it's gonna have your your I I I love kills. I love kills in a movie, and this movie should have excited me more as things were going on, and I just found myself being disappointed kill after kill. And I heard a lot about how this movie was kind of like it had this meta humor behind it, and and oh, the the whole thing about the movie is it's it's kind of parodying horror movies to begin with. And because yeah, I don't I don't know. I I think this was just uh a jump in logic that a lot of people were having, or I don't know if it was intentionally because I I I didn't look too far into what the intent of the movie makers was because I would just found myself severely disappointed at the end that I'm just like I don't know if I care enough to look this information up. But I'll talk about the things I enjoyed. I'm not going to be shitting on this whole movie, but I do want to say that it did, I was disappointed at the end of this movie. Um, it had nothing to do with the pacing. I like movies that kind of draw things out. I really liked the way some of the anxiety built without that musical score, and then you're just kind of looking at something. It's like, what's gonna happen? You're just hearing the crunching of the leaves, or you know, you're seeing him. Like there's this one part where Johnny the Killer, I'm gonna keep calling him Johnny the Killer. Johnny the Killer is coming up on the cabin where these kids are staying at, and the person that he plans on killing is already in the front of that of the cabin. But for some reason, Johnny the killer walks all the way around the house for some reason and comes back at his prey from behind when he could have just come at him from behind from the front of the house. And I remember the whole time I'm thinking, like, why when he's walking around, like, what is he gonna do? What is he gonna do? Like, why is he walking around the house when he could have just walked right up to him? So it's it's adding that dread, you know, some of that anticipation. I liked it when it did things like that, this movie. I think it did it really well.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Didn't he pick a weapon then too when he walked all the way around the property? Didn't he pick up a um that saw thing that he had the guy with?

SPEAKER_01 23:31

He could have, but he could have also killed them with his bare hands, like he's been, you know, doing shit other shit before. So I don't think it was after and he didn't what did he know was gonna be back there? I mean, he could have done this this dude, I'm not kidding. Watch him be like not as big as I said he is, but I swear to God, he looks like he's fucking 6'4 and like 200 something pounds. He's a big guy. He's a big guy. Super strength that he has. There's this part in the beginning of the movie when he fucking takes off the he did to take off the whole head. I always think this is funny when they do this in movies. I I love this. So I'm not laughing at it like it's a bad thing. I'm loving it. The when they chop off the head, but they don't chop off the head, they use that, I forget what it's called, but like it's like half of the head gets chopped off. So it's like it's like it's really mean. It's like you don't even bother taking off the whole head and you take off half his face. It's so mean.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

I think that's like protected that guy's body so bad. It was so funny. I love that. I loved it because he's like dragging him around by the by the jaw, essentially, and and holding the rest of his head in his other hand.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

It's great. That was fun. It was great, and then the funny part was he fucking is looking at something on a wall that is behind glass, and this guy is big enough, and this guy's not gonna hurt himself because we see later that he gets shot multiple times and like gets up afterwards. He just needs a little breather, he just needs a little breather, and he gets back up. So he's obviously none of this shit hurts him. So when he saw something behind the glass, and he could easily break the glass with his hand to get that thing, he doesn't do that. He picks up the dead guy's body and throws it up against the glass to break the glass. And I'm just like, disrespect. Such disrespect for that man's body.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Yeah, it's so funny. I thought that was so funny. I just kept it, it just kept getting worse for that guy because he got dragged through the woods. And what was the whole reason for dragging him? None. He had no reason to drag that guy's body around the forest like that, and then just use him to throw and he threw his head through the window. Um, he he used his body for breaking glass. It was just really, really, he had a good time with that.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

He absolutely did. I think this man loved to kill. I I think it was the lady, I think it was at the end of the movie, the one that picks up our lone survivor, because we have a story here that does end with a final girl. We do have our lone survivor, and at the end of the movie, she's in this vehicle, in this truck, with somebody who came by and helped her, this lady. And the lady gives off. I don't know if it was this lady, I want to say it was this lady, because the whole point I even brought this fucking lady up to begin with is because I believe she's the one that brought up the hen house theory. And that is exactly what is going on, it seemed like here. I mean, yeah, they told us it was, I mean, they told us, they didn't tell us, but they showed us it was for a purpose. He's looking for his fucking locket and he's killing all the people that have some kind of connection to this locket that was taken from him. So, okay, I get that. You want your locket. But some of these kills were so mean. I mean, they're just above and beyond, like, dude, we get it. We get it.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

With the ranger, with the ranger, that one was a was a good one because he broke his neck to where the guy couldn't move, and then he kills him on a tree splitter. And it's like he did that so that guy could feel the maximum pain before he died and everything, and he couldn't scream for help or move or help himself. He just had himself, his body there to completely um kill, like any way he wanted to. And he again just dragging the bodies around and having fun chopping off his hand first so that way he can feel it. Thank you. Um that was so like what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 27:53

He fucking puts this guy's, this guy that he, I don't know how he did it, I don't remember exactly what he did, but he butt he fucking immobilized him by doing something to his spine or something. I don't know. I don't remember exactly what it was. But when he drags him over to the tree splitter, like Alma said, and he's gonna kill him there. I'm like, that's a horrible death already. I'm thinking, that's a horrible death. Because he shows him Johnny the killer, shows the guy he's gonna kill. Look at what it does to this tree. Look at what it's doing to this tree. It cuts it in half. It's so sharp. And now I'm gonna do the same thing to you. That's terrifying to me. But fucking Johnny the killer, like you said, picked up the fucking arm, picked up, picked up the fucking arm, the hand of our soon-to-be-dead victim on the ground. He's still alive and puts it on the tree splitter and cuts his arm off. Really, dude? That's mean. That's just mean. He's prolonging his death. It's not even it's not even like torture. It's worse than it's just mean. I'm gonna chop off your hand. Look at that. Your hand's missing. You can't move when your hand's missing. But it doesn't matter because I'm gonna kill you in a second. So it was just like, dude. And then there was this one part where he was killing one of the other people, and I don't remember who it was. Um, but somebody gets away and is just listening to this other person get killed. And this other person getting killed is just a lot of like it just sounds like wax, bloody wax, bloody sloshy wax, and it's just like constant non-stop. It's just like, I think he's dead now.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

I think he's dead, but they keep going, he keeps going, he keeps going, just studding away. That's how that's how it said on the bottom of the screen, thudding, studding, or whatever. And yeah, and it's like overkill for sure.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Yeah, he's dead. There's no respect for these bodies. I was thinking if he gets caught and he goes to jail, then they're gonna have to write him up for um what do they call that? Something to do with the corpse, violation of the corpse or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

I was gonna say disrespected corpse. That's not what it's called, but yes, I know what you're talking about. Disrespected. Yes. He's just mean, he's just so mean. So we have our our final girl at the end. I want to mention her because uh technically, I guess she's a final girl because she survives. But I just don't feel like it was earned. Like everybody's dying, everybody's getting killed. She does.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Yeah, there was no fight. There was no fight between her and and him. There was nothing. There was just she ran away, which honestly is a realistic way to get away from a killer, is just to run. And for once we had somebody who just ran and ran and didn't stop. Um, so there was that. But you're right. There was no, we didn't, we didn't have any stake in the game with this person. We didn't know her, we didn't uh get to see her struggle, we didn't get to see her fight. Um, that's usually what we what uh say, like a f in a final girl, that's what you have. And in this situation, we didn't get that. We just got girl runs away. Yeah, I don't even know if she has a name. I'm sure she does. Um, they all they all have names, but see, like that's why I was like, it's not really important their names, because they would they were not given to us. We were spying in with Johnny the Killer. And um, so her name is Chris actually, and it's just like, you know, um, I guess that's what we have here.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Yeah. So the movie also does something very interesting in the beginning by not showing full-on faces of everybody. At first, it begins with just showing like the legs or the back of somebody, a little bit of the uh profile of somebody, but you're not getting there's no face shots, it's none of this go, you know, going on. They're not developing the characters at all. Again, because we're doing this from the killer's perspective, he doesn't get to know the characters or the the people he's killing. He we don't get to know their backstory. We're just seeing peripherally what's happening. We it's a group of people that are out camping, and you know, they came upon this locket, they got the locket, and then they all start getting killed. So we're only catching little snippets of their conversation and things like that. So at first we don't see anybody's face, so we're not we're not getting much about them. And then as the movie goes on, we start to see their faces and even fucking Johnny's face. And I was like, why'd you have to show me Johnny's face? You just ruined it. So we start seeing more and more of our characters like literally seeing more of them, their faces, their whole bodies, hearing them talking and everything. So it was a nice epic that we're easing into everybody, but using this method of introducing us to the characters, or maybe just keeping them kind of less, you know, not really a big part of the movie, other than being people who are getting killed. You have, like you said earlier, there it seemed like there was no skin in the game. It was like, am I going to be rooting for these people? Am I supposed to root for these people? Am I on Johnny's side here? Because yeah, I pick sides. I pick sides when I watch a movie. And a lot of times I I will admit, I I pick the side of the killer because they do a really good job of making their story be like, that sucks. That really sucks for him. This sucked for Johnny the Killer when he was just Johnny, not the killer, the way he was treated by the townspeople, the way he died, the way his dad died, all of that sucked.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

But beyond that, that's that's all we really get.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

We don't get any more of what's going on with the other people. We don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

We do get uh him wearing a a mask, so yeah, a really cool looking mask, too. That that I like that. I like that he looked around when he was looking for weapons and saw a mask and put it on him. And um it reminded me of the fact that they talked about in the story that he was tricked into where he went because he was still playful and wanted to play with toys. So it's almost like he grabbed that mask so he could play. And um and he found the coolest looking, I think it was a firefighter mask from like the olden days, the days of your 70 years ago, exactly, actually.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Because they talked about how this happened 70 years ago. 70 fucking years as a 70-year-old man running around killing everybody in the woods. No, that's not even it's not even 70. It's been 70 years since. So he was either a 13-year-old little boy or he was a full grown ass man when he died. Either way, it's 70 years old.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

It's like and 10 and he'd woken up 10 years before that, too. Yeah, he did. You're right. And they put him back down because the ranger was the one who helped put him back down in in his hole. So we we know he's come back and they are keeping him in the ground interred. And this one guy came along and had to run, ruin it. He had to fucking ruin it and by taking that necklace. Also, like the way that it was there meant leave it alone. And he gave it to his woman. He's like, Hey, I found this out in the woods. Here, it's for you. Like, how did he give it to her? I want to know. Like, did he?

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Why would you wear it?

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Yeah, I think he had lied. I think he had to have lied, like said, I got this for you here, because he didn't get her a wedding ring yet. And so he could have acted like this is a gift to you. I'm just seeing, I'm just filling in the gaps. You are filling in the gaps because I completely forgot about that. So um, yeah, so the necklace, she had nothing to do with it. And I like the way that she took it off at the end and put it on top of the the gas tank and then just ran because she was like, Oh, okay, so this guy wants his necklace back. Okay, here's your necklace.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Yeah. So I guess you could say, yeah, she was doing what normal people would do. She'd run, she hears it's the necklace, she'd she leaves the necklace behind. That's why she survived. But it's just it was luck. I think it was luck that she survived because it could have easily been her in another somewhere else and have gotten dragged away by him and all that. Everything how she ended up surviving was luck. She ran through the woods forever, she got out to the road, somebody happened to be driving by. She got, you know, all this stuff. She happened to survive the injury she had. You know, she's bleeding out. All this stuff's going on. This was all for me kind of like it could have literally been any one of them at the end of the movie, and I would have been like the same thing. Because you you don't get you don't get invested in these characters, which I don't know if that's the point of the movie. If that's the point of the movie, then bravo, perfect. I didn't care about any of these characters. I didn't care that she survived at the end. I didn't care. I was No, me neither.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

And that was the way I think it was supposed to be. The that's why they're the way that they are, the way that they made them, I think was perfect. Because I didn't really this was something to me. I thought of it too as a great movie because it's a different kind of slasher. Um, it's totally different than the ones we've seen. And um and I like that. I like that being from the different perspective, being that we are not vested in the in the characters at all. We don't know them. There's no typical um this one's dying because they had sex, this one's dying because they did this. It's just people who just happen to be in the woods, and one of them picks up a necklace that he finds in a little blind, and um and that's it, you know. Well, you know what? They should have like cemented that necklace in if they really wanted to keep it where it was, where it was at. I mean, it could easily get blown off and he wakes up for nothing, you know? What if he woke up and it had just fallen off the side uh or or something and he's sitting there like, oh, okay, I guess I'll have to crawl myself back into my home. Like, come on, like why, why, why not do something better to secure that necklace to that grape?

SPEAKER_01 38:50

No, I think you bring up a very good point. If that fucking necklace is what's gonna make him come up and make him hunt down people, why are you gonna put it so nonchalantly on a I don't even know if Veron Bray was like on a fucking branch or something nearby where he was buried? And why aren't you burying him better? Like, why aren't you you brought up cement, bury him under like we bury our people, under a big slab of cement. That's how you bury someone so that they don't come back up. Why not put the necklace on him? And put the necklace on him. Exactly. If he's come up already before, he ten years ago he came up out of that grave and he and he killed a whole bunch of people. Apparently, he had to do with that necklace. So secure that necklace on that man and make sure that man never crawls out of the fucking ground again. You're just, it's like you're begging for him to come out and kill people. Let me just bury him a couple of feet underground. Let me put his fucking locket right here. That a fucking what if a fucking animal, you know, animals like shiny things. They pick it up and they take it to their nest and they just like fucking get it there. I can imagine how pissed off it would be.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

To people that they like, some birds do that, you know. What if they did that? And then all of a sudden you have a necklace and you don't know where it came from and you're wearing it. And now do you deserve to die? Huh? Do you?

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Apparently you do. Johnny the Killer is gonna come and get you. I I am having a little more fun talking about this movie than I did watching the movie. I'm gonna be honest with you. I just I was so disappointed in this movie. The ending just when they were in that truck driving off after she gets rescued, our final girl. Alma says she's called Chris. Okay, she's called Chris. Chris is in the car, she's looking out. There, this woman is telling this story, and yeah, it kind of has to do with what we're with the movie, because the woman, this stranger, is telling a story. Oh, 10 years ago or whenever it happened, my brother was mauled by a bear and all this stuff, and this story is going on forever. And then you you start to realize, oh, it's not really a bear. It was probably Johnny the killer that went around killing all these people and tried to kill the brother as well. This happened 10 years ago. It's like, okay, that's why she's telling this story. But it was just so fucking, it's like, oh my god, get to the fucking point, lady. What's the point of the story? Because it was going on forever. And then when we pull over, because she sees Chris bleeding out in the passenger seat, and she's like, Okay, let me pull over. We're gonna fucking tourniquet this shit on your leg that your leg's bleeding. And we have Chris staring out into the woods for like ever, and I thought, they had been driving for a while. You remember that? They had been driving for a while on this road, and she's looking out while they're parked on the side of the road, Chris. She survived all this shit. And she's staring out into the fucking woods, and I'm like staring hardcore, like, are we gonna see this motherfucker pop out of the fucking woods? I swear to fucking god, if we see this motherfucker pop out of the fucking woods, I will be pissed. He didn't. Thank goodness. I am so happy he did it. That was like for me, it's like, thank you. Thank you for not doing that. Because in the beginning of the movie, maybe it was the middle, I don't remember where it was. There was this part where the fucking guy was getting chased. The guy was running, the victim was running. And Johnny the Killer was walking. And Johnny the Killer caught up to the man who was running.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

Shut up with the Johnny the Killer.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

It's killing me. It's making this way funnier than it is. That's what he is. I don't I don't want to just call him Johnny because it makes it seem like he's just like a regular guy. Johnny's like a fun name, you know? No, this is Johnny the Killer. Granted, the guy who was running away ended up getting caught in a bear trap, but before that, Johnny the Killer was pretty close to catching him. He ended up just getting caught in a bear trap, and then, oh, that sucks. I like the different things that the way they got creative with the kills. So that was fun. Like you said earlier, the the tree splitter. We had a, you know, uh we it didn't kill him, but we had the bear trap that caught one of them. Um one of oh my god, what did you think of the yoga killing?

SPEAKER_02 43:33

That was that was the funnest thing. That was the funnest thing. I was like, who cares? This is where you suspend all um uh disbelief or whatever. Um just fucking roll with it. This was literally rolling with it. I thought it was extreme overkill, absolutely fun, just really fun. Like you could tell Johnny had. A creative mind, and I was like, you know, they were talking about his his in intellect or whatever, and I'm like, look at how creative he is. Maybe maybe there was nothing wrong with him, and at the time his artistry just wasn't appreciated. Maybe he was building stuff or or whatnot, and he was really just really smart, and everybody else was just a dick, you know. Yeah, and he's taking out his aggressions on everybody.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Well, fuck you. Not motherfucker do watch this. Well, this killing was pretty fucking batshit, man. He I think what made this killing the funniest is because the fucking person who was getting killed was just standing there. She just stood there. She literally just stood there. When I'm taught saying she just stood there, you know, we see this in movies sometimes where they're just standing there and getting killed. It's like you always say, Why are you just standing there and getting killed? This was beyond just standing there and getting killed. She was just standing there and getting killed. She was upright forever while she was getting killed. She stood there and let them kill.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

She didn't have anywhere to go, but she did. She didn't just fight. I did a hiccup. Um, she didn't fight, no, but it happened too quickly. She didn't have time to run off in any direction because the any direction was off a hill cliff. So, you know, there was nowhere for her to go, for her to go.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Well, I don't know. I just felt like she could have fought a little bit, but instead she's like, here I am on a silver platter. Do what you want with me. Which was him poking a hole through her torso, through her body, pulling his bare hand with and then pulling her head from the front of the fucking body through the hole to the back of the body. To the back of the body.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Peekaboo. Through the hole. Her head was all sticking out to the hole in her abdomen. Just peekaboo.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

It was like that's creative. That was funny, I will admit. But it was funny because she just fucking I just I I I couldn't get past how she just stood there. I will tell you the kill that really got me though was the one okay. Let me let me preface this by saying I will start off by saying I liked this kill. The woman who ends up getting drowned in the fucking lake. That broke me. I'm like, I am scared, first of all, of things getting me in in water. I am terrified of losing the fight in water, like terrified. In this case, we have fucking Johnny the killer was all the way across, all the way across from the pier where they were at, where she was swimming. We never see him, but apparently he got into the fucking water. And he's like swimming under the water. We don't see any of this. We don't see any of this, but we know he got into the fucking water and was swimming underwater because he ends up grabbing her, and she has the most silent, quiet death because all that's happening is she's being pulled underwater and being drowned, and that's so sick. It's so sick, and it just gets me because that is like the most realistic, scary fucking thing in the world to me. But then I also have to remember fucking Johnny the killer is down there swimming. How is he swimming? So now he knows how to swim.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Well, I just imagined him walking along the bottom of the lake.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Like they did in that uh what is it, land of the dead. I can't remember what movie that was.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

Yes, yes. Just walking through it, just walking through the water, just right at the bottom of the lake, just to until he gets somewhere that he can reach her. Yeah, that's what he did. He just jumped, he leapt.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

He leapt. He leapt up to grab her. But that killing really got me. It really fucking got me. I like how you described it. You made it a lot worse. I like that. It's scary. It's scary. It scares the shit out of me. The rest I can kind of be like, oh, you know, that that's just ridiculous. The yoga chick, the guy that gets, you know, the tree splitter all over.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

Yoga chick. Yoga killed. I like that. It's like an impossible stretch that she did there for her yoga time.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

I didn't even think of that. I didn't even think of that. That is so funny. What if that was supposed to be something that kind of was mocking this woman doing her yoga? Like, I'll show you fucking yoga. Because she was, that's all she was doing. She was on the fucking cliffside. Why she chose the cliffside, who knows? But she's fucking just there with her little mat. She brought her mat. She's got her mat out. She had a mat? I didn't notice. She's dressed for yoga. She fucking made a point of saying I'm dressed for yoga, not for making out or going skinny dipping with you. No, I'm gonna go do yoga up here. And if you want to fool around, you come and find me. So she's like, I'm gonna get my yoga in before I do anything else today. So that was kind of sad. She's just like minding her own business, doing her yoga, and then she gets pretzeled like that. I was just mean. This is what I'm talking about. Johnny the killer was mean. He had he he was he was a cruel killer. Very much so. I don't know what else I can say about this movie. Is there anything else you want to tell me about this movie?

SPEAKER_02 49:54

No, oh, I I didn't agree with you about the pacing. I I thought the pacing was too slow for me. That kind of like made me want to get up and watch a video a couple of times. Like, I have a minute. I could fit in the video right here, you know? But that was I've seen it before and I didn't like it the first time either. I didn't like the pacing of it, and I didn't like the ending of it either. Um I just thought all that work and he didn't pop out because there was so many, you know, homages to the slashers of your. And yet at the end there was no pop-up coming out of the woods. You know? I wanted to see him just one last time and then end it. You know, just like just like a peeping out of the out of the woods, and then the end.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Out of the cool. I think it kind of, and I don't remember. I just watched this movie and I don't remember this. Maybe I don't know. I didn't check out because I was watching it. I was taking my notes. The pacing of this movie made it very easy for me to take my notes. Um, whenever I watch a movie, I take tons of notes on my phone. And so it made it very easy. I didn't feel like when I was looking away to type away in my notes um like I was missing anything. So that was nice. Uh the ending when he didn't pop out, I would have been pissed if he had popped out. You say you wanted him to pop out. Okay. Either way, you know, we expected something. And then at the end, we kind of get this sense that because we don't see him, like you said, did he just crawl back into his hole? Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

That's a good question. Yeah, I guess he I guess so. Because otherwise he would have still been coming for her. They would have shown him still coming for her, you know. Well, there's a part two. There is yes, I forgot about that. Why did I forget completely about that? I think uh it's not it's I know it's been it somewhere, so I just don't remember when it you watched out for everybody, or no, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it, but there is a part two, so there you go. He had to come back somehow. Or we started all over again, and somebody took his stupid necklace off his grave. And all some chicks wearing it, and then we're gonna come out for her. This time they'll do a different perspective of the final girl, and they'll make it a real final girl movie. There, that's a million-dollar idea right there. They should have used that.

SPEAKER_01 52:28

Oh my god. They this stupid necklace. I love the way you described it like that. I a part two, yeah. That that would have to be it. They somebody else finds his necklace because his necklace, why keep calling it a necklace? It's a locket. Not it's a locket his mom gave him. I don't even know what was in the locket. Well, the daddy's got a single dad in the locket gave it to him. Oh, his dad gave it to him, but it was the mom's, right? Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Yeah, no idea.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

That was this movie. That was in a violent nature. It was very violent. It was very violent.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

It was very violent and very in nature.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Yeah, it was very nature-y. I did enjoy the scenery. That was beautiful. It was beautiful where they filmed. I loved it. It had just the scenery was really great. I love being out in the woods. We're at the lake. It's just really nice. This is going on in Canada. Canada's beautiful. And then this movie happened. So, I mean, Alma likes it. I would not recommend this to anybody. And I'm laughing. I'm laughing because it's like I make it sound like something that somebody would check out because of how bad it is. I'm telling you now, I don't think it's worth it. I don't think it's worth it. Alma would would argue with me though, and I love that.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

Well, yeah, because that's why I recommended it. I recommended it to you because I liked it. I like it. I give it, well, probably like three out of five stars. Wow, that's actually pretty good for this movie.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

I give it. That's so mean. That's so mean of me. I'm sorry. I, like I said, I had just been this year been shitting on movies. And that's not like I'm I'm not saying I've been shitting on new movies. I've just been shitting on movies in general. I need to, you know, I really thought I was in such a great mood. Taller Rico and Gina Hinojosa put me in such a great mood. I thought I was I was coming into this movie, like, yeah, boy, it's a great week. I'm gonna watch a great movie. And then I'm gonna blame all of this on Talla Rico and Gina Hinojosa. They got my hopes up. They got my hopes up. They made me think everything was gonna go right. Thanks, Gina Hinojosa. Speaking of Gina Hinojosa, she stopped texting me.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

I heard. I never got any texts, and I don't know why. I voted.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

I was getting lots of texts. It was only I had to do something special when I voted. What'd you have to do?

SPEAKER_02 55:11

I had to fill out a form because my address was in suspense. Oh. That was their way of trying to not cut my vote. But I would but I showed up and I voted.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

You're like, fuck yeah. Did you see that? Yeah, because I was right unless you voted. Just kidding. I'm I'm not updating. I'm not condoning any of this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Because I updated my driver's license when I moved and I hit the re-register to vote button and I registered at the at the DMV. So tell me why they sent me a notification, like past the date where I could have fixed it, that um they sent me a notification that said that I couldn't vote unless I fill out a special blah blah blah form or whatever. So me and me and Dahlia both had to do it.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

So But your vote got counted because look how fucking blue the valley was. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 56:06

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SPEAKER_01 56:10

And that was in a violent nature. That was in a violent nature. So violent, so violent, so gory. For no reason. For no good reason. So lovely the kills, but yet watch the movie for yourself and tell us what you think. Speaking of telling us what you think, Alma, where can people find us to tell us what they think?

SPEAKER_02 56:33

You can visit our website at thegory detailspodcast.com, over on Instagram, where the gory podcast, on Blue Sky, the Gory Details, and you can visit us on buymeacoffee.com slash thegory details.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Thank you so much, everyone, for listening this week. We're gonna continue on with our slashers. Slashers of the universe. I don't know. I was trying to do something there. Never mind. Slashers this month of November, and we'll see you all next week. Bye. Bye bye.